Competition is what keeps your upstream from doing that. Even if you
have T-1 service in BFE, you can get a T-1 from any major IXC anywhere
T-1s are available.
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Mike Hammett
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On 8/3/2010 11:09 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Comments inline.
Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Fred,
Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the
contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a
WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to
somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can
have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the
overall WISP network performance.
Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP
retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A
lot higher when "using" it, near zero at other times. But a file
server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick
to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this
is especially true with wireless.
Then put a monthly bandwidth cap (or caps) into your Terms of Service
and price your service accordingly.
This level of throughput management should come under the
"reasonable network management" definition that service providers
are allowed to perform. This throttling is also
application-independent so no selective throttling by application is
needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables
full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction.
"Reasonable" is a "rule of man", not "rule of law"
construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered "reasonable"
when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as
they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than
follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And
banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the
cost and price down.
With no rules, what are you going to do when your upstream provider
decides to block or throttle your network for whatever the reason?
They are after all just "doing what they please". Without some kind of
network neutrality protection, there's no law against blocking you, right?
Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if
you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their
contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you
were supplying them and limiting them to?
You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited
upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and
telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to
do. However, those applications usually require a person to be
there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer)
prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable.
I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities
on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it
perfectly desirable.
Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net
Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale.
I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it
could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by
the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though
your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural)
is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to
install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though
it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone
site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n
distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user
computers to undercut other CDNs on price.
I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS
is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be
happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I
think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.)
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