YOu have it all wrong.

Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of dealing with 
the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding hearts who 
"give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible culture 
unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of 
survival.   In which case, the powers that be grant you money to live on 
while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and unviable 
culture.    It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency, want, 
dependency and hopelessness.

Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over land.    The 
"ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant. 
Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being 
transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it, rather than 
adjust.   IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal conflict 
that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight against 
another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge, 
technology, communication, law, and wealth.   And neither understood it.

Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and just drew 
a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the failures of 
the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the 
diseases, and so on.    And worse, people with less scruples than the 
schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the wealth 
and simply wiped 'em out.

Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth that 
primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix the two 
with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup.

We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of the 
world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and 
ownership and written law, etc.   Modern indians want the consumer trappings 
of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that made it 
possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality seeks to 
keep it that way.

I've ranted long enough off topic...   Let's just leave at this : 
Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged are 
exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so horrible, 
it is simply a crime against humanity.




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From: "Fred Goldstein" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM
To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian  Reservation

> At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote:
>>Hmmmmm. How do you become a soverign nation?
>
> Well, you start by having a big country.  Then you get invaded and
> settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90%
> of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and
> take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing
> them sovereignty on at least limited land.  Then the survivors are
> forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts
> and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another
> century.  Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open casinos.
>
>>Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator.  :-)
>
> When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-(
>
>
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