Rather than kill the thread, can we drag it back on topic, kicking and
screaming if we have to.
It appears that we have a group of people that are trying to put
together some action that will bring broadband to reservations and they
have asked for WISPA's input. Whether they can be successful or not is
yet to be seen but I would hate to see the discussion squelched just
because a minority want to go off on tangents about social injustice
perceived or otherwise.
Rick is looking for input from those that have dealt with tribal
entities in the course of their business, good or bad, maybe we can get
some pointers on how to handle it better, maybe we can get some
references from an organization that is respected in the native
community that will help smooth out some of the bumps, potholes or
gaping chasms in the road to providing service to indian lands.
I for one would appreciate any assistance I could get in navigating
tribal politics.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
On 08/13/2010 09:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames?
>
> Jerry Richardson
> Sent Mobile
>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK"<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> YOu have it all wrong.
>>
>> Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of
>> dealing with
>> the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding
>> hearts who
>> "give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible
>> culture
>> unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of
>> survival. In which case, the powers that be grant you money to
>> live on
>> while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and
>> unviable
>> culture. It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency,
>> want,
>> dependency and hopelessness.
>>
>> Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over
>> land. The
>> "ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant.
>> Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being
>> transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it,
>> rather than
>> adjust. IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal
>> conflict
>> that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight
>> against
>> another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge,
>> technology, communication, law, and wealth. And neither understood
>> it.
>>
>> Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and
>> just drew
>> a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the
>> failures of
>> the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the
>> diseases, and so on. And worse, people with less scruples than the
>> schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the
>> wealth
>> and simply wiped 'em out.
>>
>> Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth
>> that
>> primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix
>> the two
>> with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup.
>>
>> We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of
>> the
>> world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and
>> ownership and written law, etc. Modern indians want the consumer
>> trappings
>> of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that
>> made it
>> possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality
>> seeks to
>> keep it that way.
>>
>> I've ranted long enough off topic... Let's just leave at this :
>> Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged
>> are
>> exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so
>> horrible,
>> it is simply a crime against humanity.
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: "Fred Goldstein"<[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM
>> To:<[email protected]>; "WISPA General List"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian
>> Reservation
>>
>>> At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote:
>>>> Hmmmmm. How do you become a soverign nation?
>>>
>>> Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and
>>> settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90%
>>> of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and
>>> take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing
>>> them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are
>>> forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts
>>> and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another
>>> century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open
>>> casinos.
>>>
>>>> Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an
>>>> Integrator. :-)
>>>
>>> When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-(
>>>
>>>
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