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I can't help with the politics, but based on experience, cash only... Sam Tetherow wrote: Rather than kill the thread, can we drag it back on topic, kicking and screaming if we have to.It appears that we have a group of people that are trying to put together some action that will bring broadband to reservations and they have asked for WISPA's input. Whether they can be successful or not is yet to be seen but I would hate to see the discussion squelched just because a minority want to go off on tangents about social injustice perceived or otherwise. Rick is looking for input from those that have dealt with tribal entities in the course of their business, good or bad, maybe we can get some pointers on how to handle it better, maybe we can get some references from an organization that is respected in the native community that will help smooth out some of the bumps, potholes or gaping chasms in the road to providing service to indian lands. I for one would appreciate any assistance I could get in navigating tribal politics. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless On 08/13/2010 09:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK"<[email protected]> wrote:YOu have it all wrong. Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of dealing with the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding hearts who "give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible culture unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of survival. In which case, the powers that be grant you money to live on while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and unviable culture. It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency, want, dependency and hopelessness. Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over land. The "ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant. Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it, rather than adjust. IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal conflict that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight against another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge, technology, communication, law, and wealth. And neither understood it. Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and just drew a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the failures of the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the diseases, and so on. And worse, people with less scruples than the schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the wealth and simply wiped 'em out. Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth that primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix the two with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup. We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of the world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and ownership and written law, etc. Modern indians want the consumer trappings of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that made it possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality seeks to keep it that way. I've ranted long enough off topic... Let's just leave at this : Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged are exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so horrible, it is simply a crime against humanity. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Goldstein"<[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM To:<[email protected]>; "WISPA General List"<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation |
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