Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile
On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK" <[email protected]> wrote: > YOu have it all wrong. > > Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of > dealing with > the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding > hearts who > "give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible > culture > unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of > survival. In which case, the powers that be grant you money to > live on > while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and > unviable > culture. It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency, > want, > dependency and hopelessness. > > Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over > land. The > "ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant. > Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being > transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it, > rather than > adjust. IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal > conflict > that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight > against > another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge, > technology, communication, law, and wealth. And neither understood > it. > > Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and > just drew > a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the > failures of > the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the > diseases, and so on. And worse, people with less scruples than the > schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the > wealth > and simply wiped 'em out. > > Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth > that > primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix > the two > with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup. > > We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of > the > world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and > ownership and written law, etc. Modern indians want the consumer > trappings > of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that > made it > possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality > seeks to > keep it that way. > > I've ranted long enough off topic... Let's just leave at this : > Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged > are > exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so > horrible, > it is simply a crime against humanity. > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Fred Goldstein" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM > To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian > Reservation > >> At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: >>> Hmmmmm. How do you become a soverign nation? >> >> Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and >> settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% >> of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and >> take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing >> them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are >> forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts >> and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another >> century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open >> casinos. >> >>> Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an >>> Integrator. :-) >> >> When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-( >> >> >> -- >> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >> +1 617 795 2701 >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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