30c per transaction too.  Which is ironic that you're not complaining about
;P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 3, 2018 8:01 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> 2.6% vs 2.9%.
>
> Plus stripe doesn’t have 10,000 fees
>
> Compliance fees
> Government fees
> PCI fees
> Parking lot restriping fees
>
> We are about to re do our entire billing system. I’ll run the numbers and
> let you know.
>
> It appears to be a difference of about $58 per month that using stripe
> costs me.
>
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:48, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Depends how much revenue you do.  The difference of what I'm paying versus
> what the website said would be for me.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 3, 2018 7:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell <artiedarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your
>> recommendation?
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Takes two minutes to setup.
>>>
>>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to
>>> use.
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe
>>> like the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you
>>> could, but...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user
>>> friendly web and app.
>>>
>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its
>>> job. But it’s not pretty.
>>>
>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more.
>>> But it’s way better, IMHO.
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly
>>> IMHO.  Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues
>>> with it other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>>
>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most
>>> customers pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing
>>> solution(WiFiRush)  uses Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment
>>> receipt with transaction number, etc. to the Email address the customer
>>> provides.  I also receive a copy, which is automatically sent to a folder
>>> that is only used in case there is a catastrophic failure of something and
>>> all billing records get lost.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send
>>> the receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must
>>> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This
>>> is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer
>>> name in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is
>>> good to know they are there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.
>>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never
>>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.
>>> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I
>>> would probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I
>>> can’t believe this is not an option of theirs!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes.
>>> Stripe absolutely is more expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> Agreed!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Richesin
>>>
>>> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>>>
>>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>>>
>>> Madras, OR 97741
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *<wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
>>> *To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier
>>> to configure, manage, use, etc.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Only 50% higher, geez.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe
>>> includes free ACH now.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on
>>> that with tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card
>>> information from all of the customers again.  The first point being more
>>> important than the second.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Richesin
>>>
>>> Phone: (541) 699-0030 <%28541%29%20699-0030>  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>>> <%28541%29%20526-0988>
>>>
>>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>>>
>>> Madras, OR 97741
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *<wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM
>>> *To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you use Stripe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> If only they had stripe integration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Richesin
>>>
>>> Phone: (541) 699-0030 <%28541%29%20699-0030>  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>>> <%28541%29%20526-0988>
>>>
>>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>>>
>>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>>>
>>> Madras, OR 97741
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *<wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
>>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM
>>> *To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways.
>>> Everyone else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending
>>> their time on other things instead of replacing what's already working.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> Mikrotik BMU is still in beta.  Pretty much everyone is currently using
>>> the Powercode BMU.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart <t...@nwohiobb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I
>>> was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my
>>> powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and
>>> everytime I
>>> call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the
>>> support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I
>>> might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Alan Luelf
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>
>>> We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher <br...@reliableinter.net
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not
>>> > working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I
>>> > liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be
>>> > falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45
>>> > days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time
>>> > consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why
>>> > my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some
>>> > recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a
>>> > solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and
>>> > dislike about it?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Brian
>>> >
>>> >
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