Jason, you talk for me and i think for all the peoples where was on the conference.
Just my 5 cents regards+++ Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pamental" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > Alex, everyone, > > Wasn't being evasive; I thought there had been more posted to the list about > what is new in this version. Some of the highlights are: > > -Preemptive multitasking > > -Vastly improved performance (lots of numbers have shown up in benchtesting, > but I don't have specifics at hand) > > -@EMAILSESSION and @EMAIL tags - very cool functionality that lets you > easily create web-based email applications (ok, it's still kinda complicated > > -Enhanced and improved error handling and reporting - lets you do much more > accurate error handling in your applications > > -improvements and greater stability in the @URL tag, including allowing you > to increase the size of the retrieved data > > - a huge amount of rewriting to fix bugs, increase stability and in general > overcome a lot of the (*ahem*) shortcomings left unresolved by previous > owners of the software. > > - Phil also demonstrated the prototype of the Java compiler that is really > fantastic: take a taf created in the dev studio, compile it and deploy to > any J2EE server. This has huge implications in the enterprise market, and > even for those who want the ease of development but have to host in > environment that doesn't support Witango on the server side. > > Much of the application structure has been set up to allow for a lot of new > things going forward, including adding more native interfaces to other > databases. > > I hope this gives you some of what you're looking for. I don't want to > elaborate too much more because there's an official release due in the > coming days that should outline a lot more, including pricing, testing and > release timelines. > > Jason > > On a more personal note, I'd like to say that I appreciate the more reserved > tone you've taken in the most recent posts. I have to admit that I was > pretty aggravated with some of your posts (and those of others) that took > such a negative tone during and after Macworld. Those of us at Bathysphere > spent a considerable amount of our own money (several thousand dollars) to > attend that show and introduce Witango to the Mac community. This was > because we believe in the software and the people who own it. You should > also know that we committed to this BEFORE we were asked to be a > distributor, so our interest in this did NOT stem from software sales profit > motivation but rather from a desire to see the platform we've been > developing on for years get a good start and achieve the market share we all > feel it deserves. This is what will allow ALL of us to continue making a > living using the software we choose. We all make what contributions we can, > either to the list, to sites like Ben's and Scott's and others, or in our > case, with the booth at Macworld. > > Much has been said about what plans there are for the new version, in > features, delivery, price and marketing. All of that is unfolding, Macworld > being a big part in starting to gear up media interest. List membership has > grown - last I heard it was up to 1000 subscribers (I was pretty amazed). > Pricing and availability information is starting to filter out to > distributors, but Sophie and Phil would like to make the official release > announcement themselves later this week. With all the hard work and effort > they put into this, they deserve the chance to spill the beans themselves, > and they also deserve all of our applause when they do so. They are about to > deliver what is much more than a full version update to the software; in > some cases it has been rewritten altogether. To do so in little over a year, > on two disparate platforms, is virtually unheard of in the software > industry. It's just too much work to get through in such a short amount of > time. > > Ok... I'll stop now. > > > On 7/30/02 5:06 PM, "Alex Kac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK - that's great. But again - as I've stated 3 times now - I am not asking > > for a release date that can be broken. I'm asking on WHY we should wait ANY > > length of time. Why should I wait even one more minute? THAT is the gist of > > it. > > > > It seems that anybody who can say anything wants to avoid the whole gist of > > the message - and corners in on that one little thing about release date. > > > > Either WiTango 5 has really nothing to offer that's substantial over T2k to > > make people stay on the Tango platform or people like to read the first > > sentence of an email and ignore the rest. > > > > Yes, I'm frustrated because all I want is some INFO - not release dates. > > None of the reasons you gave were any good for keeping the INFO quiet. > > > > -- > > Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > > > > Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > > http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > > > > zoomzoom > > > > > >> From: Jason Pamental <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:35:07 -0400 > >> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > >> > >> All, > >> > >> I don't want this to seem '007' or anything BUT... We got some 'official > >> news' this morning and it was too late Sydney time to find out how much of > >> it we can share. I'm hoping to get more word tonight and be able to provide > >> more to you then. Phil has been keeping the info under a lid mainly for two > >> reasons: 1) they want to release as stable a product as possible, and that > >> takes a lot of time and testing, and 2) if he gives a date and issues come > >> up to delay things, that can be even more frustrating than not announcing at > >> all. > >> > >> Some of the delays have been out of their hands (bugs in operating systems, > >> etc) and have necessitated hours spent documenting, reporting the bugs and > >> then working around when the OS vendors don't respond in a timely manner. > >> > >> All that aside, the plan is to ask all of you to participate in a more > >> public beta test starting very soon (now here I can't bee more specific > >> yet), because as Jon pointed out, the list is full of extremely capable > >> developers and you will all no doubt have a lot to contribute. > >> > >> OK - not exactly 'full disclosure' but by the end of the week there will be > >> a lot of info and dates that will be shared with all of you. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> On 7/30/02 4:12 PM, "Brad Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Doesn't Phil or the With team have any officials news?? > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "James MacFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:40 AM > >>> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > >>> > >>> > >>>> Alex, > >>>> > >>>> The survival of WiTango will depend on whether it can compete in today's > >>>> market against products like ColdFusion and .Net > >>>> > >>>> I'd really hate to see them release it half-baked because of market > >>>> pressures. > >>>> > >>>> There are a number of competitive technologies in our midst including the > >>>> recent MX-line from Macromedia, which make integration between ColdFusion > >>>> and Flash very simple using Web Services. If WiTango fails to address > >>> issues > >>>> like these advances before the release the product will not be viable, > >>> will > >>>> not be able to compete in the marketplace and you and I will be forced to > >>>> code in something hideously ugly like ASP. > >>>> > >>>> While I too anticipate this release I'd rather have it when it's ready. I > >>>> agree with your position though -- as developers we need to be able to > >>> build > >>>> viable products and to plan our own technological growth path, which can > >>> be > >>>> difficult to do when something coming down the pipe *sounds* like it may > >>>> solve all your problems but is still off on the foggy distance. > >>>> > >>>> - James. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Kac > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:13 AM > >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > >>>> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Especially since it did say on the website that all would be told at > >>>> MacWorld. Well...its been two weeks. I think we need to know: > >>>> > >>>> 1) Relative idea of release - within 30, 60, 90, 120, 360 days > >>>> 2) Some screenshots showing off new Editor features (this to pacify until > >>>> beta is out) > >>>> 3) Some of the feature list > >>>> > >>>> I really do think this is getting long in the tooth. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > >>>> > >>>> Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > >>>> http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > >>>> > >>>> zoomzoom > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: Stephen.Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:41:40 -0500 > >>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Subject: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > >>>>> > >>>>> Lots of teasing. Lots of talk. But MacWorld is now good and over and > >>>>> still no announcements. > >>>>> > >>>>> Phil, please don't leave us hanging any longer as we're about to bail > >>> for > >>>>> other technology. We just can't wait much longer - Christmas is coming > >>>>> FAST! > >>>>> > >>>>> Stephen, http://onlytoys.com > >>>>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >>>> > >>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >> > >> -- > >> ____________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Jason Pamental, President [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Bathysphere Digital Media Services, Inc. http://bathyspheredms.com > >> ____________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Tel: 401.490.6830 Fax: 401.490.6831 > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> A North American Distributor for Witango (http://www.witango.com) > >> > >> Rapid Web Application Development - XML Execution Engine > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Jason Pamental, President [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Bathysphere Digital Media Services, Inc. http://bathyspheredms.com > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Tel: 401.490.6830 Fax: 401.490.6831 > ________________________________________ > > > A North American Distributor for Witango (http://www.witango.com) > > Rapid Web Application Development - XML Execution Engine > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
