Title: Re: Witango-Talk: Witango Wide Adoption? a little OT
remember the good old SyQuest and Iomega? the former offers far superior products to Iomega when it comes to external storage. but what cost its downfall?
I don’t think SyQuest Iomega is the right comparison. I would more likely compare it to Microsoft/Apple. Many people bash Apple for not allowing their software to be run on any hardware, but I see it as a different approach, not a wrong approach. In recent years, Apple has begun to correctly market their products as “boutique” products, not meant for the masses. Granted, their price points -- although more competitive -- are still higher, but their target market is certainly willing to pay for it.
This is not to say they do not desire widespread adoption. They certainly do. However, their approach has been to focus on quality and innovation. They only give away the products such as iMovie and iTunes to accelerate adoption of their high end products such as their CPUs, iPods and even their new music store.
Don’t know as much about Witango as Apple, but my guess is they would rather , theoretically, give away the fabulous ide to gain a more profitable server sale. The market for application development is already saturated, and their chances at wide-spread adoption on the scale that would make giving the server away profitable are probably gone. Hence the only choice is to focus on a “boutique” market who appreciates a higher standard of quality and innovation.
I don’t think “cost” should ever be an argument for bypassing Witango. As it has already been emphasized here once, the cost of the server pales in comparison to the cost of development in the long run. The fact that it is not widely adopted could certainly be a legitimate objection. But again, this is often overcome by the lower cost of development.
Chris
thank you for replying to my post.
personally, i have developed in tango for couple of years before the switch. and i don't really find the big difference in development time. probably 1.5 to 2 times longer if we compare the two. often, it brings down to how familiar you are with the language/tool you use. i believe you develop your own tcf files for future use. likewise, i develop my own objects in php so that it will take shorter time in future development.
what really make witango a better product is the ide. it's so damn good!
btw, writing session id in php ain't that tough in php. but i must admit, php lacks the flexibility that witango is providing when it comes to variable scopes.
as for macromedia, they have a field that requests on what server application platform do you use when you signup(?). asp, jsp, cfm, etc. are all listed in there. i believe this field is meant for data collection. (wi)tango used to be listed in there.
as for cost, i believe they (with ent.) could still get a big bite on selling services, supports, ide even if they give the app. server for free. like you mentioned, mcdonalds food ain't that great. but its cheap and popular. they provide good services too. a company (pvsw?) that don't have good crm will dig its path towards failure.
remember the good old syquest and iomega? the former offers far superior products to iomega when it comes to external storage. but what cost its downfall?
in fact, given a chance, i would jump back to witango wagon. i still have passion in it. but when it comes to reality, i wouldn't recommend it to anyone in my country. simply because every company will have this question in mind. will it be vapourware in years to come? or will it be staying and growing strong? try asking around and often i get the response "huh? what's witango?". to many, witango is just another proprietary language.
i apologise if this thread is taking away your precious development time.
--lance
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From: Rick Sanders <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witango Wide Adoption? a little OT
Hello Lance,
Typically I don't reply that often to these types of posts.
However, you can't compare PhP to WiTango. I looked at PhP and even developed some apps with PhP.
Basically, what I can develop with WiTango will take a PhP progammer 3 to 4 times longer. Plus, where do you go for support? Plus, try writing an app in PhP that supports COM objects or Java beans! Oh yeah, writing a session ID is a complete nightmare if you do it from scratch. It's built in with WiTango.
Macromedia decided to go with Cold Fusion. So, looking at good business sense, Macromedia won't advertise or support a cometitive product. Plus, Witango is better, runs on more platforms, and is cheaper.
As far as the cost goes, I firmly believe you get what you pay for. Pay $2159.00 for the app server and develop an app in a month, or use PhP and develop the app in 3 months. 2 months of development is more than $2159.00.
As far as marketing goes, With Enterprises has had to jump through alot of hurdles to get the product to where it is today. Let's face it, Pervasive really left Tango out to dry! Tango had no home or support for over a year. At least if Pervasive kept business as usual until With Enterprises came along, it would have been much easier for With Enterprises. I personally think the product should have been renamed to "Lazarus", but that's just my opinion.
In a nut shell Lance, PhP is a good technology. Hundreds of thousands of people use it! Just like millions of people eat at Mc Donalds! It doesn't mean the food's the greatest, but it's cheap and popular.
Personally, I like to eat at the Outback Steakhouse! Better food and service!
Rick Sanders
Web Energy
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