Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.

That was me!  20 years on the *net gave me that right.

Seriously, though, who voted the ISO or IETF to be authoritative enough to
establish rules for people using the Internet and World Wide Web, oh yes
there is a difference?  Who established the rules for the World Wide Web
which ethical designers and developers attempt to follow?

If web development is your job, don't you think you should be good enough to
follow the rules established?  If you were a construction builder wouldn't
you have to follow rules?

As for iframe, I don't like it either.  I've used it once, but the page it
was pulling in was a flash communications presentation for my radio show.
As for frames, they were the most ignorant thing ever created.  Personally,
they should be allowed to exist today, but for some reason we can't get rid
of them by some developers.

The real problem with frames is people don't know how to use them in the
first place.  Second, they lack any real features for accessibility.  For
SEO purposes they are really bad.

Frames were allowed in the beginning because browsers didn't have very good
caching abilities.  Now that they do, you don't need them.  They won't help.

Perhaps that will help some.

Scrolling DIVs at least put all the information on the same page, unless you
plan on pulling in another page.  In my opinion the latter is a mistake.
Search engines say all content must be visible, it never says you can't
scroll a DIV to see all the information.

Sincerely,
Lee Roberts
http://www.roserockdesign.com
http://www.applepiecart.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

Scott, you said,

> If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for 
> taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way 
> aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken 
> liberty to makeup standards).

Who would elect such a body? Web designers? Governments? Users? The UN?

As it is, we have the major browser manufacturers on board, the guy who
invented the web heading it up, and some of the clearest-thinking, most
far-sighted people in the web community making contributions that aim to
free the web from proprietory chains and dead-end hacks, with as elegant
solutions as can be devised. What more could you want?

Down with proprietory solutions, I say!

-Hugh Todd

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