Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.
That was me! 20 years on the *net gave me that right.
Oh so you were the one? hehehehe
Well, to answer that i dare you to walk into any web-based enterprise that has a DHTML intranet, and say the following words:Seriously, though, who voted the ISO or IETF to be authoritative enough to establish rules for people using the Internet and World Wide Web, oh yes there is a difference? Who established the rules for the World Wide Web which ethical designers and developers attempt to follow?
If web development is your job, don't you think you should be good enough to follow the rules established? If you were a construction builder wouldn't you have to follow rules?
As for iframe, I don't like it either. I've used it once, but the page it was pulling in was a flash communications presentation for my radio show. As for frames, they were the most ignorant thing ever created. Personally, they should be allowed to exist today, but for some reason we can't get rid of them by some developers.
"Get rid of IFRAMES, and use something else"
Wear some padding, as the fall from the window could be high.
hehe
Seriously, lets get into the whole iframe use. 508 stuff, not up to speed on, but most DHTML based applications would be a luxury to get 508 compatible. SOE are a saviour to the DHTML breed, and while i try to make as much as my applications close to being accessible & with usability it just doesn't happen.
IFRAME = Internal frame, if we are to emulate the client-top generation of software within a browser, its the one little trick we have left. As for using them on the web? well i used them many years ago for my personal site, simply because it was easy at the time (mind my site is horrible, needs baaaaaaaaad need of update/doover). Making an actual public website today, seems to be one big juggling act imho, and i'm glad i'm not really required to be a public facade developer and more a SOE.
You have to keep in mind, there are two main clusters using the web browser / html language. Internal Corporations and Public Users, while one thing works for one, ther other percentage works for another etc.
That or i'd put it in another way in that they existed for the ability to dynamically render information on screen, while keeping other parts static reducing overall latency and downloads.The real problem with frames is people don't know how to use them in the first place. Second, they lack any real features for accessibility. For SEO purposes they are really bad.
Frames were allowed in the beginning because browsers didn't have very good caching abilities. Now that they do, you don't need them. They won't help.
Scrolling Divs also come with a higher penalty in that some browsers (namely Internet Explorer) pretty much will cain your memory if it contains large amounts of information, whilst an iframe for various unknown reasons to me, seem to keep the memory balance lower.Perhaps that will help some.
Scrolling DIVs at least put all the information on the same page, unless you
plan on pulling in another page. In my opinion the latter is a mistake.
Search engines say all content must be visible, it never says you can't
scroll a DIV to see all the information.
Good and valid points though.
Regards Scott Barnes
Sincerely, Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken liberty to makeup standards).
Who would elect such a body? Web designers? Governments? Users? The UN?
As it is, we have the major browser manufacturers on board, the guy who invented the web heading it up, and some of the clearest-thinking, most far-sighted people in the web community making contributions that aim to free the web from proprietory chains and dead-end hacks, with as elegant solutions as can be devised. What more could you want?
Down with proprietory solutions, I say!
-Hugh Todd
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