:) good work Jimmy G, and thanks for the good press!

looking forward to coming out there... you know if there was ever a chance
to teach the usability I'd jump at it!

lisa

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Gollan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 8:00 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org; Russ Weakly
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Web design education
> 
> 
> Chris Taylor wrote:
> > And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and
> > accessibility evangelists to do about the continued 
> ingorance and apathy
> > towards this vital subject, especially in academia? Let's 
> hope that the
> > recent Target website court case in the US highlights the cause.
> >
> >   
> I feel it is worth pointing out that not all educational institutions 
> are still teaching table based design. As an educator I feel 
> I am in a 
> great position to make a difference at a 'grass roots' level. 
> Students 
> studying web design at our college (Ultimo TAFE) are exposed 
> to about as 
> much evangelism as they can take! There is a brief mention of 
> tables for 
> design, but as a primer for what they may find themselves 
> working with 
> in industry. Every site that they design should validate to a strict 
> doctype (they choose between HTML and XHMTL after being 
> presented with 
> the arguments for and against) and use CSS for all aspects of layout. 
> They spend an hour and a half per week studying usability and 
> accessibility, they have access to multiple browsers, 
> operating systems, 
> and even JAWS (until recently :( ). First lesson they are directed to 
> join this list!
> Past teachers have been such luminaries as Lisa Herrod and 
> Roger Hudson, 
> and, at the end of semester when they are dizzy from this barrage of 
> evangalism, they get a good talking to from people such as 
> Russ Weakley, 
> Lindsay Evans, Peter Ottery, Lisa Herrod and Roger Hudson (not all on 
> the same bill, unfortunately).
> I know of other TAFE's (particularly Blue Mountains) that 
> have a similar 
> approach toward standards.
> Unfortunately it often comes down to the teachers at the educational 
> institution to promote this viewpoint, as syllabus documents are 
> normally vague and hopelessly out of date. We are currently 
> working of a 
> training package that was first developed around 1997 (may have been 
> 1999, but hell, it's old). It mentions tables for layout etc.
> I am sure that other institutions would be taking a similar 
> approach to 
> web design as us If not, hopefully the word will get out and 
> the course 
> will either drop off or modify its content. We do have 
> mailing lists for 
> educators in TAFE to try to disseminate the knowledge and facilitate 
> discussion.
> I agree that there can be an apathy in educational 
> institutions - often 
> as a result of the institutional structure - but it is not 
> necessarily 
> the case.
> Just wanted to point that out ;)
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