David, If you are that far off the internet time, how would the instance of WSJT-X running on your PC be able to even decode the incoming messages and letting you know how far of you are.
The whole point of syncing to internet time (FT8, FT4) is that it needs the timing to decode said messages. The only way around that is to include a sync signals within the message itself which change the contents of the message itself. 73, Sam W2JDB -----Original Message----- From: David Smith <dsm...@mypchelp.com> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2021 10:47 am Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] clock offset / fudge adjustment, automatic/manual To clarify my use case and some reasoning: 1) Since WSJT is highly dependent on clock accuracy, there should be a way to either manually or automatically sync the clock to received stations.2) I'm not suggesting at all that WSJT modify the system clock. In fact, my suggestion is that WSJT leave the system clock alone, and that we add a feature that allows offset to the system clock.3) Using other devices or software to do this for you adds complexity that isn't necessary; ntpd, chrony, GPS, all of these add new dependencies and fiddles/adjustments that make using WSJT more complicated to use.4) Really the main problem to solve here is portable operation. Adding more software, or more hardware, to solve this problem uses more power and reduces battery life.5) potentially, allowing an automatic offset adjustment within the software itself to average the clocks of received stations has the potential to completely eliminate the need for "accurate clocks" across the board. Of course, this is assuming everyone using FT8 (as an example) was using WSJT or software capable of this automatic adjustment. If I'm not mistaken (which is entirely possible) clocks could be off by minutes, hours, days, etc, as long as the second hand lines up with received stations. On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 4:02 AM <wsjt-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 10:43:36 +0000 From: Alan <al...@alangroups.plus.com> To: WSJT software development <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] clock offset / fudge adjustment, automatic/manual Message-ID: <177fcd5f3c0.27f6.308160ffa91046202f89ff6226309...@alangroups.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" In my experience portable operation does indeed have a problem with drifting clocks due to temperature variations, and particularly wind. Internet connectivity may well be unavailable, so I've bought a cheap GPS dongle that does the job just fine. I'm not sure a fixed clock adjustment will deal with it though, because I've found the drift on my laptop to be rather dynamic and it could soon get out of step. I agree changing the system clock would be unwise. Averaging received time differentials to provide a correction is an interesting thought though, but in my view providing that was done only inside WSJT-X and only for the current session - no changes to the system clock itself, or permanent config changes. Alan G0TLK On 4 March 2021 07:31:47 Claude Frantz <claude.fra...@bayern-mail.de> wrote: > On 3/4/21 1:53 AM, David Smith wrote: > >> Proposal: >> Add an adjustment that allows you to manually adjust an offset to the >> system clock. Being able to simply enter +/- seconds at the 100ths of a >> second would be helpful, ie: "-2.3s" or "+0.9s" > > Hi David and all, > > If you use ntpd or chrony, you have the ability to insert this data in > the appropriate config of these pieces of software. > > This has no place in the software using the time services. > > Best wishes, > Claude (DJ0OT) > _______________________________________________ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
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