Hi,

> On 31 Aug 2018, at 6:09 pm, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed) 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server”.


Yes, sorry. auto-correct always kicks in to screw that one up

>  
> Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into a 
> question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to answer:  Is it 
> possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X from MacPorts?  mesa 
> 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo (from macports) says it's 
> only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2.

yes, I saw your mail there. Sorry, I don’t have a good answer for you.. I don’t 
know enough about how mesa and X11 interact to comment.

One suggestion - You sent the mail to the MacPorts users list. Perhaps try your 
luck on the devel list instead…

Chris

>  
> Thanks.
>     -- Steve
>  
> On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones" 
> <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf 
> of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>  
> Hi, 
>  
> 
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>  
>> Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts.
>> 
>> does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz?
>  
> I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a couple 
> times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was considering stopping 
> XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the MacPorts versions as the 
> primary distribution means.
>  
> I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org 
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>  related ports are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed 
> as the primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties 
> (myself included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of things 
> ongoing right now looking to update a few X.Org 
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>  components. This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone 
> who wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts.  X11 is certainly not dead 
> in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look to migrating 
> to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is xors-server).
>  
> Chris
> 
> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200
>>> From: Filhol Alain <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
>>> Message-ID: <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017.
>>> I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> [AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much 
>>>> slower than with Linux).
>>>> 
>>>> [JHS] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer versions 
>>>> of macOS (maybe Mavericks+, maybe ElCap+, I forget exactly).  The issue is 
>>>> below us in CoreGraphics and won't really be fixed on Apple's side as 
>>>> doing so would fix this case but cause bad performance penalties for every 
>>>> single other case out there.  The real solution is to get XQuartz off of 
>>>> libXplugin and start using more modern macOS APIs (eg: finishing up 
>>>> libxcwm), but there's not really anyone actively working on that right now.
>>>> 
>>>> [AF] Are you the only one involved in XQuartz developments ?
>>>> 
>>>> [JHS] Yes, and I spend significantly less than 1% of my time on it ... 
>>>> barely enough to just pull in upstream changes, build, and ship.
>>>> 
>>>> [AF] [...] but people are reluctant in using them on Macintoshes because 
>>>> of that problem of slowness.
>>>> 
>>>> [JHS] If you're interested in working on the replacement, I can point you 
>>>> in the right direction.  It's maybe 60% done ... all by a group of college 
>>>> seniors at PSU.
>>>> 
>>>> --Jeremy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alain
>>> 
>> 
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