> On 31 Aug 2018, at 7:21 pm, Mick Mueck <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi again, > > I just took a look at the X.org <http://x.org/> site referenced in a reply > below. Chris Jones said: >> The X.Org >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FX.Org&data=02%7C01%7Cstephen.langer%40nist.gov%7C16d7bdea424a40c252fb08d60f62363f%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C636713311816445770&sdata=zJ%2FoQUGW04oX3qmGmcL7kKwJ9aeiCM4nO%2BDA%2FfTvYNs%3D&reserved=0> >> related ports are indeed more up to date there >> > > I went to the downloads mirror and it looks like the most recent thing > downloadable is even older than XQuartz (unless I'm missing something): > > > <https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/>https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/ > <https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/> That has nothing to do with MacPorts.
> > I'll happily use whatever is newer that's out there, but even in the really > old stuff I came across I didn't see any simple installer. While I might > flatter myself a little and say I'm a techie, it looked like the X.org > <http://x.org/> stuff wasn't going to be easy to install. I'm looking for > pretty much the same sort of thing that XQuartz provides and I'd be thrilled > if that came with Mac-style windows that could be resized on all sides. > Sadly, I'm just a user (not a developer)... > > I just don't know what I'm going to do when some future OS X update renders > XQuartz broken. Go to https://www.macports.org <https://www.macports.org/> and then follow the instructions to install MacPorts. Once done, you install the X11 server it provides with (in a terminal) > sudo port install xorg-server Chris > Regards, > > Mick > > > >> On 2018.0831, at 14:03, Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> If I run the xorg-server from macports, then >> Do I still have to start Xquartz? >> Does xorg-server have a window manager? >> Are there any instructions on how to run xorg-server? (I don't know where >> .xinitrc is on my Mac but are there any .x* files that need to be changed?) >> Thanks! >> >> cytan >> >> >> On Friday, August 31, 2018, 12:10:41 PM CDT, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed) >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server". >> >> >> Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into a >> question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to answer: Is >> it possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X from MacPorts? >> mesa 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo (from macports) says >> it's only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Steve >> >> >> On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones" >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf >> of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts. >> >> does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz? >> >> >> I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a couple >> times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was considering stopping >> XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the MacPorts versions as the >> primary distribution means. >> >> >> I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FX.Org&data=02%7C01%7Cstephen.langer%40nist.gov%7C16d7bdea424a40c252fb08d60f62363f%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C636713311816445770&sdata=zJ%2FoQUGW04oX3qmGmcL7kKwJ9aeiCM4nO%2BDA%2FfTvYNs%3D&reserved=0> >> related ports are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed >> as the primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties >> (myself included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of things >> ongoing right now looking to update a few X.Org >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FX.Org&data=02%7C01%7Cstephen.langer%40nist.gov%7C16d7bdea424a40c252fb08d60f62363f%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C636713311816455775&sdata=aRmMODzcfHZMi11aJpp1pnEFUOvItezL0Ug%2BjSRKxjg%3D&reserved=0> >> components. This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone >> who wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts. X11 is certainly not >> dead in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look to >> migrating to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is xors-server). >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> >> 4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain) >> >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200 >> From: Filhol Alain <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? >> Message-ID: <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017. >> I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS. >> >> >> [AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much slower >> than with Linux). >> >> [JHS] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer versions of >> macOS (maybe Mavericks+, maybe ElCap+, I forget exactly). The issue is >> below us in CoreGraphics and won't really be fixed on Apple's side as doing >> so would fix this case but cause bad performance penalties for every single >> other case out there. The real solution is to get XQuartz off of libXplugin >> and start using more modern macOS APIs (eg: finishing up libxcwm), but >> there's not really anyone actively working on that right now. >> >> [AF] Are you the only one involved in XQuartz developments ? >> >> [JHS] Yes, and I spend significantly less than 1% of my time on it ... >> barely enough to just pull in upstream changes, build, and ship. >> >> [AF] [...] but people are reluctant in using them on Macintoshes because of >> that problem of slowness. >> >> [JHS] If you're interested in working on the replacement, I can point you in >> the right direction. It's maybe 60% done ... all by a group of college >> seniors at PSU. >> >> --Jeremy >> >> >> >> Alain >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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