Hi Luke
I have a PixelQ version due in 2 weeks.
XCSoar runs great on the LCD version already. I have been trying to get my
compiler working to do some work on it.
In all ways it is a perfect device for XCSoar, except 1 - it is very large.
Although a 10+" screen, it is actually a lot smaller than an iPad (diagonal
measures can be misleading, because it is wider, and not very tall - different
ratio) - but still, it would be a very hard fit into a cockpit.
But I am very interested, because for both flying, and boating, the screen is
going to be fantastic.
My experience with iPaq style devices over the past 5 years is that shiny
doesn't work, and you can't use screen protectors (for lack of a better name)
as they not only reduce brightness, but also I found interfere with sunglasses
to the point where I could hardly see the screen at all, and unfortunately even
the Streak & Adam have a shiny screen... so fingers crossed that solutions come
out.
Now if PQ only produced a 7" screen we would all be very happy :-)
When my PQ version arrives, I will video/photo outside with XCS and also put it
on my cockpit, however my cockpit is smaller - specifically:
http://www.daddycrumbs.com/Airplanes/Wave-FL245/10711843_C4dPK#746037673_YywQY
BTW. That is me at FL245 in my cobra, with XCSoar on my iPaq.
Scott
Hi all,
I've been looking into similar devices as max for a while now. A device which
has particuarly got me interested is the very recently release (pre-orders
about a week ago) is the Notion Ink Adam. It's an android tablet, the first
android device which has a PixelQi transflective display. From the reviews i've
seen, the pixelqi displays are likley going to be pretty much ideal for use in
gliders - designed for outside viewing, and low power. It also comes with 3x
USB host, which could be useful for external inputs such as stick mounted
controls and serial inputs via USB to Serial adaptor.
The one issue for this device specifically that will prohibit it's use is it's
size, its over 10 inches. See http://www.notionink.com/techspecs.php for
technical specs.
I don't think it's impossible to get this device in a glider. I managed to do
some drawings in CAD that indicate it *might* be possible to squeeze this into
a standard cirrus panel. I'll do some cardboard cutouts and play around with
them on my panel to make sure what CAD is telling me is right. See
http://tinypic.com/r/ng3bcw/7
PixelQi should have 7 inch screens going into mini tablets in the next 6 months
or so, which is a much more manageable size. Devices of this size can be fairly
easily mounted in the panel, similar to the Altair's.
And a thankyou to Max and the other dev's working on getting a stable Android
port. I have no doubt android based devices will eventually displace the
existing ipaq's and other windows CE based PDA's/PNA's in gliding. The range of
devices running Android in various form factors and display technologies is
rapidly growing.
Luke
On 2 February 2011 07:55, martin.kopp...@gmx.de < martin.kopp...@gmx.de >
wrote:
Hi Max,
well, using up all the added processor power to keep the user interface
responsive is indeed a bad idea that leads nowhere, except for drained
batteries. On the other hand, WM5 is also not exactly responsive, so maybe
Android is at least some improvement in allowing more complex user input via
MT, eliminating sequencees of actions by replacing them with a single gesture.
It's funny that the faster input gets, the more annoying gets waiting for the
machine ...
If you run XCSoar on Android, wouldn't you need to use the OS provided
interface to have XCS communicate with the device? I guess that no matter how
fast XCS internally is, if you have to wait for the OS routines to detect a tap
or determine whether the tap is just becoming a swipe, well, then you just have
to wait, wouldn't you? Also, it appears scrolling in Android works on a per
text line, not a per pixel line basis. I could not get a pixel by pixel scroll,
which I can get on this iPad here I'm just typing on. Could that have an impact
on map scrolling?
Anyway, I'll watch the market for upcoming Android devices. The great advantage
over iPxx devices is that there are more choices and they all want to find
their niche by offering unique features such as sunlight readability.
Viele Grüße,
Martin Kopplow
Mobil +49 171 7984740
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Am 01.02.2011 um 20:04 schrieb Max Kellermann < m...@duempel.org >:
> On 2011/02/01 19:45, " martin.kopp...@gmx.de " < martin.kopp...@gmx.de >
> wrote:
>> So my questions, regarding the Streak: Is the touch interface as responsive
>> as Apple's? I played around with some Android tablets last weekend and most
>> felt kind of jerky when scrolling and zoomimg. Also, it appears that zoom
>> was only available in certain moments, when the content displayed was
>> 'meant' to be zoomed, such as pictures, but not when on the OS UI or
>> application UI. Did you notice that?
>
> That is still Android's achilles heel: it is not as responsive as iOS.
> I blame Java for most of that, iOS applications are compiled to native
> machine code. Java is a bad choice for real-time applications, and
> adding a JIT to Dalvik didn't improve much. Newer Android devices try
> to make that problem disappear by using faster CPUs, but that is just
> tinkering with the symptoms.
>
> XCSoar is native code, not Java, so it does not suffer from Java's
> disadvantages. On the other hand, XCSoar may be the most complex
> Android application that exists so far.
>
> Making XCSoar more responsive is one of my big goals, and you may have
> noticed that version 6 is already a giant leap ahead of the old
> version 5 (and therefore also LK8000). Still, there is much room for
> improvement, XCSoar's map renderer is still very clumsy and wastes too
> much CPU power.
>
> We're working on it!
>
> Max
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