hi,
when i use XCS on my android phone, i always switch to "airplane mode" ( wifi,
BT and 2g/3g is off, gps=on). that means it is not a mobile phone, its just
CE-device. i just do for battery safing reasons, but i guess that will also
satisfy your leagal concerns.
in airplane mode i could even test it during an airliner flight after launch,
before landing.
i m using xcsoar mainly on ipaq3850, as we have all gliders in our club
configured with such car-mount. since i have tested it once on android (in my
pocket or separate mount), i prefere the dell streak, it just has a brilliant
screen, but i'm also happy with a htc desireHD.
best regards,
uli
PS: i'm new to that mailinglist and i also want to say THANK YOU to the
developers of xcs; great job!
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 25.08.2011 um 03:14 schrieb "Ross, James" <james.r...@aecom.com>:
> You don’t happen to have any references do you?
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> From: David Lawley [mailto:davidlaw...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 8:06 AM
> To: Ross, James; xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
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> Reg is correct, the illegality is uinder aust telecommunications laws.
>
> Nothing to do with CASA
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:43:55 +0800
> From: james.r...@aecom.com
> To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
>
> Hi David,
>
> Searching through some CASA documentation (Civil Aviation Safety Authority,
> Australian Government) to try and ascertain the legality of using a mobile
> phone for the purposes of navigation and came across a document dated
> September 2001 which basically states that the pilot in command can make a
> determination if a PED (Personal Electronic Device) will interfere with
> onboard nav systems (compass??).
>
> http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/parts/091/download/ac091-050.pdf
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>
> Quote:
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> 5.1 Regulations. CASR 91.055 requires the operator and the pilot in command to
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> prohibit or limit the operation of a PED on board an aircraft if there is
> reason to believe the
>
> PED may adversely affect the safety of the aircraft. CASR’s 91.050, 91.055
> and 91.1010
>
> provides the pilot in command with the necessary authority to control the use
> of potentially
>
> hazardous PEDs on board his/her aircraft, and obliges persons on board to
> comply with
>
> legitimate safety instructions.
>
> 5.2 Operator/pilot determinations. The operator and/or the pilot in command
> can
>
> make a determination as to the effect a particular PED has on navigation,
> communication
>
> and flight management systems of the aircraft in which it may to be used or
> operated. If it
>
> is safe and practicable to do so, pilots may be able to verify the source of
> PED interference
>
> by observing if an interference event can be repeated by switching the PED on
> and off, or
>
> by moving the PED to a different location in the aircraft. In doing so a
> pilot would have to
>
> consider whether a PED would interfere under changed circumstances, eg. PED
>
> interference might only be experienced if a service signal was low.”
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> .-. -.. -
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> From: David Lawley [mailto:davidlaw...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:50 AM
> To: fol...@kabelsalat.ch; xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
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> IPAq's most certainly are cheap, I have at least 10 that are available for
> $50 aust, and there are plenty on ebay for even less than that. I have not
> encountered ANY of the poblems you mention very often, and have trained many
> ordinary pilots to use them. I have yet to have any failiures inflight.
>
> Any equipment that is not well maintatined will present the issues you
> describe, and the same problems could easily occour with these new devices.
>
> In Australia it is illegal to use mobile devices in the air, so there is no
> advantage for us in that feature.
>
> Personally i will not buy any devie or use a service that gives my info to
> Google, thanks. They already have far too much info on people now, but none
> about ME.
>
> As to O/S I smell open source fanatic in the air on that subject.
>
> Dave L
>
> > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:55:58 +0200
> > From: fol...@kabelsalat.ch
> > To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:01:56PM +0000, David Lawley wrote:
> > > I could not agree more, I have yet to see any reason to replace my Ipaq'a
> > > for any of the current offerings.
> > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:33:56AM +0200, Tobias Bieniek wrote:
> > > > > I have a Streak now since a few days ago and yesterday I was in the
> > > > > bright sunlight with it for the first time. I was very impressed.
> > > > > Never
> > > > > seen any device/display like it, not even the old iPAQs... Even
> > > > > though
> > > > > it's discontinued now it's still available on ebay and other sites.
> > > >
> > > > I went flying with my HTC Desire Z in full sunlight. It works quite
> > > > well,
> > > > while its worse than the streak and i wouldn't give it a general
> > > > recomendation, its useable and better than all the ipaqs. (The ipaq Era
> > > > is really over now.)
> > > >
> > > > Samsung Galaxy SII btw. is also very readable in direct sunlight.
> > > >
> > > > - Folken
> > > >
> > >
> > > And yet I find my HTC Desire totally unusable in any kind of sunlight,
> > > even for making calls let alone using in the glider !
> >
> > The HTC Desire Z has been released in 2010 September and is a different
> > device compared to the HTC Desire. (Release
> > date February 2010)
> >
> > > I use an HP 3970 still running ppc2000 and it works faultlessly with
> > > xcsoar 6.1.2, the ipaq era is far from over.... there must be hundreds
> > > still out there working in gliders, running older versions of xcsoar,
> > > winpilot and seeyou.
> >
> > > We should be targetting these users and converting them to xcsoar 6
> > > rather then telling people they need 'new' hardware.. Glider pilots are
> > > afterall notoriously 'carefull' with their money ;)
> >
> > See and this is a no-brainer with the android version. It just updates
> > itself, if so desired.
> >
> > > IPAQs are.. cheap, reliable, low power, have good cradles, all in all an
> > > excellent solution.
> >
> > Cheap:
> > IPAQs go for more than 120 Euros on segelflug.de->kleinanzeigen. For that
> > you can get several cheapo android devices. And you probably need a phone
> > anyway. A dell streak 5 costs currently 230 USD on Ebay.
> >
> > Reliable:
> > I see this in my club: constant issues with stuff blocking com ports,
> > batteries that are dead, screen calibration that does not work, constant
> > reconfiguration/reinstallation once the power has gone, baud rate
> > issues, different versions work on different devices.
> >
> > And nevermind trying to sync one of these IPaqs with a windows 7.
> >
> > Sure these things can be managed. But that requires knowledge/discipline
> > which seems
> > not to be given with the average glider pilot, and is also uncessary as
> > there are technological solutions for such issues.
> >
> > Power:
> > Since any android phone can be charged from USB, its minimum charging
> > current is 5V/500mA. Ipaqs use the same.
> >
> > Technology:
> > Just having some sort of internet connection, makes it way easier to get
> > tasks,airspace,metar,maps for your device. Also uploading to olc is
> > simple, no swapping sd cards.
> >
> > Future additons could include an online pilot logbook, in which the
> > entries include the gps track, pictures and video.
> >
> > With the IOIO-Board you can hook up to 4 serial devices. E.g.
> > Electric Vario, Flarm and the VHF Radio.
> >
> > In additon there are ports and
> > pins which could be connected to gear, flap and ballast switches.
> >
> > Additional buttons and even gauges could easely be controlled. (E.g.
> > external Vario indicator)
> >
> > It also supports the one-wire-protocol, with which additional sensors
> > such as temperature and humidity could be hooked up to it.
> >
> > One could use the TAS and the g sensors built into the phone to create a
> > stall warner.
> >
> > The integrated compass could assist in wind calculation. (remember the
> > 600 EUR compass addons for the LX-Series of Flightcomputers?)
> >
> > The IPaqs where good in their day. Overengineered and broadley
> > available. But availabilty has been scarce as of this year. Its
> > hardware resources are limited. Its operatingsystem should have died a
> > thousand deaths years ago.
> >
> > Besides, with android, the project gets a lot more exposure. This means
> > more users, more developers. More Bugfixes, more features, better tested
> > and therefore more reliable software. Max recently reported that there
> > where more than 5000 XCSoar installations on Android.
> >
> > So with all this in mind, i would not go for an ipaq.
> >
> > - Folken
> >
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