On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

>category.  Munging the RT violates the Principle of Least Astonishment rather
>thoroughly, so even if it's a miswart, it's still worthy to be pointed out.

Personally, not that it matters at all in any way, but I prefer 
lists that do Reply-to pointing back to the list.  I wont go into 
my reasons, as they're identical to the reasoning of everyone 
else who prefers it this way.

The bare fact is, that reply-to munging flamewar threads have
occured on mailing lists since the first days that reply-to
munging started happening.  I must have been on at least 200 if
not 500 mailing lists which have had this exact same flamewar,
and not just once, but several times a year/month, and it creeps
back up again occasionally.  Not just on lists like this one
which set Reply-to to the list, but also on lists that *dont*,
where people are arguing that the list *should*.

Regardless of what *any* one person or 500 people think, this is
a completely preferential and controversial issue.  As
controversial as abortion, capital punishment, vi vs. emacs, or 
whatever your favourite 50/50 split flamewar is.

The bottom line, is that 50/50 split flamewars (or any ratio from 
about 40/60 to 60/40 or so) end up almost always in the end, 
or at least 99.9% of the time ending with no list change 
occuring.  Changing behaviour pisses off more people than it 
pleases, in particular if a list has had a certain behaviour for 
a long time.

As such, it is extremely pointless to demand that a given list
should change it's policy on this issue, regardless of what
datapoints you'd like to raise.  You won't raise even a single
datapoint that the list maintainers, and the majority of
subscribers are not already fully 100% aware of.  They just
disagree with you, and are not likely to change their line of
thinking no matter how much you disagree or how big of a flamewar
you'd like to make about it.  The best you can do, is agree to 
disagree and then move on to another topic - or unsubscribe.

Regardless of how a particular mailing list is ran with respect 
to Reply-To, _anyone_ who is bothered by a given list's policy, 
can easily change it on their end to suit their own preference.  

If you prefer Reply-To to point back to the mailing list, but the 
list does not do that, a simple procmail filter which moves any 
existing Reply-To to Cc, and puts the list address from From: or 
another header into the Reply-To will accomplish that (that's 
what I do).

If you prefer Reply-To: never replying to the list, then have 
procmail strip out the Reply-To: header, and optionally munge 
From: or CC: to Reply-To to simulate putting it back.

One thing is fairly certain however - you are very unlikely to
to change long term list policies/preferences to your way of 
doing things via flamewar, and not likely via any other 
mechanism, so just deal with it, or unsubscribe.



-- 
Mike A. Harris


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