Cde VC, At a time I responded to Cde Malgas, your posting to Adriano was not in my mail. I had at that received only that of Cde Adriano, Cde Lazola and Cde Malgas. So it is not correct that I ignored your posting to Adriano. I have considered it in my second posting and am not interested in Salaries but in the word "Full time" as proclaimed in the constitution. I am very sorry to use your name adjacent to that of Cde Palma. I suspect you have details that I do not have about Cde Palma hence your considering him a charlatan. I am against your personal battle executed here in the forum. I am still on the issue that you have not correctly clarified - "full-time". I do not have a preference and did not know that the conference is not elective. The issue of whether Cde Blade should be replaced or not is in the public domain and the National Secretary of YCLSA has revived it in all platforms including the Mpumalanga SACP congress. I am just not clear about the issue of "fulltime" irrespective of the "word-juggling rulebook-lawyer's objections" status that you have decided to give me. If we would not use the constitution as a reference then why is it there in the first place. Do communists really ignore their brain-child to suit preferences of us - me, the VC and others? Not all of us will view thing the way you view them. I still stand to be informed on the part of fulltime because it is not for congress. Whether congress or no congress, the issue of "full-time" should be clarified. My love for the SACP and Cde Blade does not make me a mongol that cannot be able to think. My defence of the organisation cannot be in an anarchic way where I would say things should happen without a reference to the "rule book". I apply my mind and I do not know what is wrong about a constitutional amendment if some issues are not in line with it? Where did I err, so that I can make mistakes. It is not a contradiction to say that the constitution says this and the office is occupied in this way, what can be done? If such a dichotomy exist, then let me be clarified.
>>> Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> 09/11/2009 12:56 >>> Cde Mdu, I am not at all happy about being dichotomised with this charlatan called Palma. Let me remind you that I have already said that I do not think his attack is genuinely against the GS but is against the SACP. Let me also remind you, in case you have forgotten, that there is no scheduled election of NOBs at a Special National Congress. I have already covered your phrasemongering around the SACP Constitution in my response to Palma, and you have chosen to ignore what I have written. That is a usually a sign of bad faith. Please return to what I wrote to Palma in the first place. It will show you why you are completely mistaken to say that the SACP Constitution proscribes the GS's activities and confines him to an ivory tower such as the one inhabited by Palma. In my opinion, your attempt to raise word-juggling rulebook-lawyer's objections are aimed towards smuggling in an attack on the GS at the Special National Congress. Now you have the additional impertinence to suggest that comrades may not comment upon such manoeuvres prior to congress, as if you and Palma are protected. Let me remind you that a pre-congress period of discussion is just exactly when you are not protected, Cde Mdu. So please, let's not have any more attempts to push your plots under the carpet and smuggle them into the Congress rolled up in that dusty carpet, comrade. You must not come here saying you support Comrade Blade while saying that he is "an unconstitutional occupant". You insult our intelligence like that, Cde Mdu. VC Mduduzi H Vilakazi wrote: Cde Palma and VC, We have not started the conference but you behave like people who are standing alongside each other with differing preferences. Both your behavior in this forum is unhealthy. We always learn from you but you have started personal attacks which is something that this forum is about. Can you both act maturely? I just want an explanation as to what full time mean and why is it not written in constitutional provisions of other office bearers and solely on that of the GS. Let the answer be on the "full time" as enshrined in the constitution. I am not in the angle of sources of income because I do not believe that Cde Blade took office for the income attached to it but rather for his commitment to serve the organisation. I am happy with the way Cde Blade handle matters of the organisation and have nothing against his occupation of the office. I, however, believe that "full-time" means that the person should be available at working times in the office of the organisation except when on organisational duty outside the office. If my understanding is wrong can someone advice? My support for Cde Blade is on the basis that the constitution be changed. 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