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>>> Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> 11/23/2009 6:56 AM >>> Dear Comrades Comrades it is my view that this Malema and Cronin matter must be debated properly so that we do not end up making strategic mistakes which will cause the undermining of Polokwane strategic victory. In all honesty both Cde Julius and JC must take responsibilities for causing this crisis. Firstly, Comrade JC has a tendency of attacking other Comrades in the media as though that is the only platform on which to engage other cadres. Two or Three years ago, Comrade JC attacked those who supported Cde President Jacob Zuma and he called the criminals - This is oje example - today he speaks about a debate within our structures, again addressing journalists. Having said that, Cde Julius Malema, got very low by labeling Cde JC as white messiah - this language was authored by the 1996 class project, during its tactic of destroying the Alliance - this label was equally used when the reactionary North West Provincial leadership called for the eradication of dual membership. So it will never be correct and understandable if we fail to apply our heads and hearts very seriously on this matter. In as much as I agree with the Party view on this matter - I believe it was not neccessary for the Party to enter this debate however important it is for the Party to defend its leaders and cadres, the Party must ensure that it promotes comradely debates. Now, it is going to be my final conclusion in my coming attempted proper analysis on this issue - so as Cde Blade Nzimande, General Secretary of the SACP usually say "Asikhulume" On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: > But comrades, to be honest Jeremy Cronin's input also attacked Malema.... > leaders must find time to tell our leader that he started this whole thing. > Poor Malema! > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults >> >> 21 November 2009 >> >> The Young Communist League of SA (uFasimba) is disgusted with the insults >> and racist labels from Julius Malema under the guise of criticism of the >> Deputy General of the SACP, Jeremy Cronin. The YCL believes that Malema has >> sunk to the lowest ebb of being racist and hurling insults, instead of >> engaging with profound debates that Cde. Cronin was raising. >> >> We view the labelling of Cde. Cronin as a "white messiah" not only as >> racist, but as an insult to the principle and ideology of the National >> Liberation Movement, that of non-racism. We are confident that the majority >> of members of the ANC Youth League do not share these racist and insulting >> labels. We also view the racist and insulting labels as a lost opportunity >> for Malema to engage with the all important debate on "nationalisation". We >> must emphasise that the "call for nationalisation" is not the preserve of >> Malema, and that invitation to debate should not be a trap to lure people >> into a racist, insulting and senseless room. >> >> Why invoke Nelson Mandela to justify Racist and Insulting Labels >> >> We note that Malema substitute a sensible debate for insults and racist >> labels, and bravery for disrespect; but we believe that we can disagree on >> any issue and still maintain respect as comrades. What is worse is that >> Malema invokes the names of respectable leaders of the ANC, including Nelson >> Mandela, to justify this nonsensical insults and racist remarks. >> >> The fact that Mandela was not a communist at the time and used to disrupt >> Communist Party meetings does not give Malema permission to act in such >> backward fashion. Mandela has recorded these auto-biographical facts so that >> we learn from it, and not repeat it like headless chickens with the hope >> that we (including Malema) will one day be like Mandela. If we do that, it >> means that we should follow every little act and statement that Mandela made >> like parrots, even when the conditions do not allow. We now know more about >> the need for the Alliance and the relationship between the SACP and the ANC >> than Mandela did, and we should follow his latter day example of >> respectfully engaging with Alliance leaders. >> >> Alliance Protocol >> >> We are also disappointed that the call from the ANC President and the >> Alliance Summit for a "cease of fire" in trading insults is being undermined >> by Malema. >> >> We will in the coming week ask for a meeting with the leadership of the >> ANC Youth League to discuss this and other matters. >> >> Issued by the YCLSA Head Office >> >> Contact >> >> Gugu Ndima >> >> National spokesperson >> >> O767831516 >> >> -- >> Gugu Ndima >> +27 76 783 1516 >> >> > Please find our Email Disclaimer here: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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