Cadres, I think most of us are not really honest, the manner in which we engage is not objective and does not at any stage take progressive movement forward. we cannot at any stage allow the President of the Youth League to disrepect our leaders, its not the first that he did such a thing. what is interesting is that there are some among us who continue to condone foreign cultures in our movement. It is interesting that the very same people who have sacrifice for us to be where we are are now called white mesiahs by virtue of raising sharp debate which they cannot sustain, they opt to insult them, it cannot be, the general council of the ANCYL must really make a serious introspection of this kind of behaviour. Malema was impose to us rather he was voted and the masses have a right to remove him and his buddies who are struggling think nowadays. while we respect him as our president but we cannot accept his personal views to be the organisational views, the SACP has not at stage promounce that they want to take over the ANC, the ANC will remain a broad church and none of the communist thus far has gone into public and pronounce that they want to change the outlook of our beloved organisation. what is very suprising in this regard is that we have NEC members who cannot raise their views regarding the state of the organisation rather they resort to be quite becos they want to be deployed. i am sure the masses are going to speak soon against this foreign culture. comrade this is the time for all of us to go to our respective branches and figth this cyndrome of the special type unless we will keep on complaining from outside. ANCYL has not been privatise as yet and it will not for the 100 decade therefore i encourage you to go to your branches to fight these culture. young people never elected people to insult our leaders and movement. comrades lets defend the ANC from these Young Capitalist since they think that they are the one who voted for JZ in Polokwane. Our people resisted from being bought because they knew what they wanted in Polokwane. today there are people who thinks that they are the one that voted alone and therefore they will do as they wish and that will come to an end soon
--- On Mon, 11/23/09, morgan phaahla <[email protected]> wrote: From: morgan phaahla <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:42 AM Dear Comrades, Thank you for your input cde Kaizer, invaluable as always. I fully agree that this tendency of resorting to name calling and reducing a genuine debate into personalities is very problematic. In fact, it has a multiplier effect which requires to be addressed as a matter of urgency. ANC President Jacob Zuma shared his insight in ANC Today, that "We should not be afraid to debate policy, but we should be cautious not to associate certain policy positions with individuals. "There is an unhealthy tendency to label comrades, sometimes even to call each other derogatory names. "This detracts from the purpose of debate, which is to critically examine differing perspectives. "Rather than impugn the motives of comrades, we should concentrate instead on exposing every view to scrutiny, regardless of who expresses it." But we have seen this in perpetuate and "Malema-Cronin matter" is just a tip of the iceberg. What is to be done? The Alliance Summit has noted this alien tendency to trade insults against each other and, to a large extent, found itself endorsing the Alliance Protocol. But what was not expressly addressed is a corrective action mechanisms. Let the Alliance Secretariat revisit this issue at the leadership level and communicate the resolution to structures accordingly. We cannot go to ask for a meeting with the leadership of the component of the Alliance to discuss the matter, whenever such a protocol is grossly broken down by its structure. It's not healthy. We cannot continue like this - unless we're heading for a crisis. Remain comradely, Morgan Phaahla Ekurhuleni "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:56 PM Dear Comrades Comrades it is my view that this Malema and Cronin matter must be debated properly so that we do not end up making strategic mistakes which will cause the undermining of Polokwane strategic victory. In all honesty both Cde Julius and JC must take responsibilities for causing this crisis. Firstly, Comrade JC has a tendency of attacking other Comrades in the media as though that is the only platform on which to engage other cadres. Two or Three years ago, Comrade JC attacked those who supported Cde President Jacob Zuma and he called the criminals - This is oje example - today he speaks about a debate within our structures, again addressing journalists. Having said that, Cde Julius Malema, got very low by labeling Cde JC as white messiah - this language was authored by the 1996 class project, during its tactic of destroying the Alliance - this label was equally used when the reactionary North West Provincial leadership called for the eradication of dual membership. So it will never be correct and understandable if we fail to apply our heads and hearts very seriously on this matter. In as much as I agree with the Party view on this matter - I believe it was not neccessary for the Party to enter this debate however important it is for the Party to defend its leaders and cadres, the Party must ensure that it promotes comradely debates. Now, it is going to be my final conclusion in my coming attempted proper analysis on this issue - so as Cde Blade Nzimande, General Secretary of the SACP usually say "Asikhulume" On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: > But comrades, to be honest Jeremy Cronin's input also attacked Malema.... > leaders must find time to tell our leader that he started this whole thing. > Poor Malema! > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults >> >> 21 November 2009 >> >> The Young Communist League of SA (uFasimba) is disgusted with the insults >> and racist labels from Julius Malema under the guise of criticism of the >> Deputy General of the SACP, Jeremy Cronin. The YCL believes that Malema has >> sunk to the lowest ebb of being racist and hurling insults, instead of >> engaging with profound debates that Cde. Cronin was raising. >> >> We view the labelling of Cde. Cronin as a "white messiah" not only as >> racist, but as an insult to the principle and ideology of the National >> Liberation Movement, that of non-racism. We are confident that the majority >> of members of the ANC Youth League do not share these racist and insulting >> labels. We also view the racist and insulting labels as a lost opportunity >> for Malema to engage with the all important debate on "nationalisation". We >> must emphasise that the "call for nationalisation" is not the preserve of >> Malema, and that invitation to debate should not be a trap to lure people >> into a racist, insulting and senseless room. >> >> Why invoke Nelson Mandela to justify Racist and Insulting Labels >> >> We note that Malema substitute a sensible debate for insults and racist >> labels, and bravery for disrespect; but we believe that we can disagree on >> any issue and still maintain respect as comrades. What is worse is that >> Malema invokes the names of respectable leaders of the ANC, including Nelson >> Mandela, to justify this nonsensical insults and racist remarks. >> >> The fact that Mandela was not a communist at the time and used to disrupt >> Communist Party meetings does not give Malema permission to act in such >> backward fashion. Mandela has recorded these auto-biographical facts so that >> we learn from it, and not repeat it like headless chickens with the hope >> that we (including Malema) will one day be like Mandela. If we do that, it >> means that we should follow every little act and statement that Mandela made >> like parrots, even when the conditions do not allow. We now know more about >> the need for the Alliance and the relationship between the SACP and the ANC >> than Mandela did, and we should follow his latter day example of >> respectfully engaging with Alliance leaders. >> >> Alliance Protocol >> >> We are also disappointed that the call from the ANC President and the >> Alliance Summit for a "cease of fire" in trading insults is being undermined >> by Malema. >> >> We will in the coming week ask for a meeting with the leadership of the >> ANC Youth League to discuss this and other matters. >> >> Issued by the YCLSA Head Office >> >> Contact >> >> Gugu Ndima >> >> National spokesperson >> >> O767831516 >> >> -- >> Gugu Ndima >> +27 76 783 1516 >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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