Cdes, Cde Morgan was very assisting in his assessment of the character of both leaders. It cannot be correct to want to subject certain leaders as if they are beyond reproach. There is a context in which the matter of the DSG of SACP was inferred as a White Messiah not in the context of being racist as we are forced to accept by those who see themselves as more Communist than all of us. Seniority cannot be a panacea to measure the level of your fault. You see Cde Lucky the moment you choose not to engage on the pros and cons of the Concept and want to reduce it to who authored it, it becomes worrying. Cde Cronin has been our leader and he is our leader but that does not make him immune from criticism on his ideological stance of late. We expect Cde Cronin to provide a Series of Lecture on his Socialisation of Mines and Monopoly Capital including Banks and also inform us on what bases does he so wish that the riute we should take. By the way some of us here speak as if the ANCYL is a group of non-thinkers and if you take a reflection from 1942 when the concept of forming the ANCYL was 1st mooted you will understand that the vast influence came from the CPSA and as such when the issue is being raised by the current crop of leaders we feel its unfortunate that this debate is being raised by the ANCYL and not SACP or YCL. In one of the notes, you will understand that the SACP remain the Vanguard of Working class and the youth form a strong component of those that seek to be empowered. Cde Cronin up to now, has not made a point that say the Socialisation will benefits the masses, and we still await case studies that show where in the world did socialisation take place without Nationalisation? Hence the issue cannot be and should not be about the President of the ANCYL but the ANCYL stance as the Concept is aimed at debating the timing and methodology of when do we actualise the Freedom Charter, which by the way its full of Communist Views all over. We shoul celebrate the crop of ANCYL leaders who are so passionate about the Working Class Hegemony and not power struggle.
You see cdes, when the Topic of Nationalisation was supposed to be panel discussed in the SACP Political School for Commissars and Floyd was suppose together with Cronin raise this matter, we where told that Cronin is not available. What you can draw from this excuse is that the issue of Socialisation of Monopoly Capital and Mines is not a Party Position but a Concept which Cronin still to take us into confidence. While on the other hand the Concept of the Nationalisation of the Mines, is what the ANCYL seeks to take forward even to the NGC of the ANC. Therefore, wherein there are platform to engage and educate each other present and cdes seeks not to engage what do you expect of us. yes we will be labbled as anti-communist by those that sees to impose their views be it in the ANCYL or SACP/YCL. At the helm here is that, here you have a young leader who is not afraid to raise his differences be in the ANC or Alliance, maybe we should refer cdes to Revisit How the ANC define the ANCYL in the 2007 Strategy and Tactics and how the ANCYL in 1993 (Conference) define its relationship with that of the ANC and Alliance. We have never seek to be anyone puppet but seeks to dynamise and reorganise the ANC into a radical Agents of Social Change. This means that it is the youth league role to ensure that the ANC soul is not in the hands of capitalist but be in working class. I would want us to openly say what do we call, a situation, wherein Matthews Phosa go out of the country and speak ill of the ANCYL and the SACP/COSATU and we keep quite. Only the YCL strongly condemned his statement and the very serious critics of this tendencies Cde Cronin and Blade became silent its worrying. Hence what we are calling for here is a sober Communist who will not change like weather patterns depending on where that Communist is deployed. My last example is that in the very same School of Commissars, when I questioned Rob Davis about the character of Communist who are deployed to act in a manner that seeks to defy logic, defending exorbitant spending on what Ministerial handbook provides, the Continued pursuance of industrial policy and strategy based of false assumptions on driver for FDI and Econimic Indexes, I was called names and informed that I disrespect senior cdes. I refused to apologise because in my view, you cant be real to come and only talk to us on what we want to here and the fact that the CC members became silent on this matter is questionable. You should learn from what Buti did on SABC Interim- Board voting, which he refuse to endorse a stereotyped view on ensuring the status quo remain, eventhough the ANC Caucus in Parliament had resolve on the matter. These are the character of a Communist we want to see in life by our senior. Therefore cde Lucky call us a generation of Disrespecting by stating the fact and thats fine only history will judge us. But be honest and stop to appoint yourself as a yes man when society expect us to do self-criticism and organisational criticism. Lets talk >>> LUCKY MASUKU <[email protected]> 2009/11/23 11:17 AM >>> Cadres, I think most of us are not really honest, the manner in which we engage is not objective and does not at any stage take progressive movement forward. we cannot at any stage allow the President of the Youth League to disrepect our leaders, its not the first that he did such a thing. what is interesting is that there are some among us who continue to condone foreign cultures in our movement. It is interesting that the very same people who have sacrifice for us to be where we are are now called white mesiahs by virtue of raising sharp debate which they cannot sustain, they opt to insult them, it cannot be, the general council of the ANCYL must really make a serious introspection of this kind of behaviour. Malema was impose to us rather he was voted and the masses have a right to remove him and his buddies who are struggling think nowadays. while we respect him as our president but we cannot accept his personal views to be the organisational views, the SACP has not at stage promounce that they want to take over the ANC, the ANC will remain a broad church and none of the communist thus far has gone into public and pronounce that they want to change the outlook of our beloved organisation. what is very suprising in this regard is that we have NEC members who cannot raise their views regarding the state of the organisation rather they resort to be quite becos they want to be deployed. i am sure the masses are going to speak soon against this foreign culture. comrade this is the time for all of us to go to our respective branches and figth this cyndrome of the special type unless we will keep on complaining from outside. ANCYL has not been privatise as yet and it will not for the 100 decade therefore i encourage you to go to your branches to fight these culture. young people never elected people to insult our leaders and movement. comrades lets defend the ANC from these Young Capitalist since they think that they are the one who voted for JZ in Polokwane. Our people resisted from being bought because they knew what they wanted in Polokwane. today there are people who thinks that they are the one that voted alone and therefore they will do as they wish and that will come to an end soon --- On Mon, 11/23/09, morgan phaahla <[email protected]> wrote: From: morgan phaahla <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:42 AM Dear Comrades, Thank you for your input cde Kaizer, invaluable as always. I fully agree that this tendency of resorting to name calling and reducing a genuine debate into personalities is very problematic. In fact, it has a multiplier effect which requires to be addressed as a matter of urgency. ANC President Jacob Zuma shared his insight in ANC Today, that "We should not be afraid to debate policy, but we should be cautious not to associate certain policy positions with individuals. "There is an unhealthy tendency to label comrades, sometimes even to call each other derogatory names. "This detracts from the purpose of debate, which is to critically examine differing perspectives. "Rather than impugn the motives of comrades, we should concentrate instead on exposing every view to scrutiny, regardless of who expresses it." But we have seen this in perpetuate and "Malema-Cronin matter" is just a tip of the iceberg. What is to be done? The Alliance Summit has noted this alien tendency to trade insults against each other and, to a large extent, found itself endorsing the Alliance Protocol. But what was not expressly addressed is a corrective action mechanisms. Let the Alliance Secretariat revisit this issue at the leadership level and communicate the resolution to structures accordingly. We cannot go to ask for a meeting with the leadership of the component of the Alliance to discuss the matter, whenever such a protocol is grossly broken down by its structure. It's not healthy. We cannot continue like this - unless we're heading for a crisis. Remain comradely, Morgan Phaahla Ekurhuleni "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:56 PM Dear Comrades Comrades it is my view that this Malema and Cronin matter must be debated properly so that we do not end up making strategic mistakes which will cause the undermining of Polokwane strategic victory. In all honesty both Cde Julius and JC must take responsibilities for causing this crisis. Firstly, Comrade JC has a tendency of attacking other Comrades in the media as though that is the only platform on which to engage other cadres. Two or Three years ago, Comrade JC attacked those who supported Cde President Jacob Zuma and he called the criminals - This is oje example - today he speaks about a debate within our structures, again addressing journalists. Having said that, Cde Julius Malema, got very low by labeling Cde JC as white messiah - this language was authored by the 1996 class project, during its tactic of destroying the Alliance - this label was equally used when the reactionary North West Provincial leadership called for the eradication of dual membership. So it will never be correct and understandable if we fail to apply our heads and hearts very seriously on this matter. In as much as I agree with the Party view on this matter - I believe it was not neccessary for the Party to enter this debate however important it is for the Party to defend its leaders and cadres, the Party must ensure that it promotes comradely debates. Now, it is going to be my final conclusion in my coming attempted proper analysis on this issue - so as Cde Blade Nzimande, General Secretary of the SACP usually say "Asikhulume" On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: > But comrades, to be honest Jeremy Cronin's input also attacked Malema.... > leaders must find time to tell our leader that he started this whole thing. > Poor Malema! > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults >> >> 21 November 2009 >> >> The Young Communist League of SA (uFasimba) is disgusted with the insults >> and racist labels from Julius Malema under the guise of criticism of the >> Deputy General of the SACP, Jeremy Cronin. The YCL believes that Malema has >> sunk to the lowest ebb of being racist and hurling insults, instead of >> engaging with profound debates that Cde. Cronin was raising. >> >> We view the labelling of Cde. Cronin as a "white messiah" not only as >> racist, but as an insult to the principle and ideology of the National >> Liberation Movement, that of non-racism. We are confident that the majority >> of members of the ANC Youth League do not share these racist and insulting >> labels. We also view the racist and insulting labels as a lost opportunity >> for Malema to engage with the all important debate on "nationalisation". We >> must emphasise that the "call for nationalisation" is not the preserve of >> Malema, and that invitation to debate should not be a trap to lure people >> into a racist, insulting and senseless room. >> >> Why invoke Nelson Mandela to justify Racist and Insulting Labels >> >> We note that Malema substitute a sensible debate for insults and racist >> labels, and bravery for disrespect; but we believe that we can disagree on >> any issue and still maintain respect as comrades. What is worse is that >> Malema invokes the names of respectable leaders of the ANC, including Nelson >> Mandela, to justify this nonsensical insults and racist remarks. >> >> The fact that Mandela was not a communist at the time and used to disrupt >> Communist Party meetings does not give Malema permission to act in such >> backward fashion. Mandela has recorded these auto-biographical facts so that >> we learn from it, and not repeat it like headless chickens with the hope >> that we (including Malema) will one day be like Mandela. If we do that, it >> means that we should follow every little act and statement that Mandela made >> like parrots, even when the conditions do not allow. We now know more about >> the need for the Alliance and the relationship between the SACP and the ANC >> than Mandela did, and we should follow his latter day example of >> respectfully engaging with Alliance leaders. >> >> Alliance Protocol >> >> We are also disappointed that the call from the ANC President and the >> Alliance Summit for a "cease of fire" in trading insults is being undermined >> by Malema. >> >> We will in the coming week ask for a meeting with the leadership of the >> ANC Youth League to discuss this and other matters. >> >> Issued by the YCLSA Head Office >> >> Contact >> >> Gugu Ndima >> >> National spokesperson >> >> O767831516 >> >> -- >> Gugu Ndima >> +27 76 783 1516 >> >> > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. 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