@SAM ZONDI we can either debate both chief; I'm just using the terminology that I'M familiar with, please bare with me!!!
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Samson Zondi <[email protected]> wrote: > @Ngcobo. Hawu kanti the thesis is the "nationalization of the mines"? Why > is this the thesis? Why cant it be the socialization of the mines? Any idea? > my leader. > > >>> Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]> 11/23/2009 9:12 AM >>> > > I've always admired Cde JC, His revolutionary understanding is amusing. > I've always expected him to to give guidance, clarity, while instilling > revolutionary discipline more especially amongst young cadres of our > movement like Cde JM. > When he decided to attack Malema in public; what was he (AND US) > expecting in return??? Malema did not surprise me; I suspected that he was > going to respond in the manner he did. > Cde DGS of the party should learn to engage in the correct platforms not > in front of cameras. > let us not loose the thesis here; which is nationalisation of mines! > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:46 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Comrades, >> I think there is the "moment" that we risk missing here. The ANCYL has >> gotten the ANC NEC to agree to receive a paper on nationalisation in their >> next meeting. I think the role of communists is therefore to take advantage >> of that "moment" and write a paper that must help all of us without >> attacking anyone in the process. >> I am happy that Comrade Kaizer agrees with me that Cde JC is not at all >> innocent in this thing whilst we do not condone the tone of the response >> from the ANCYL, but we expected more from JC in the light of the moment. >> I am saying this mindful of the fact that some have said the Act was as >> far as we could go as a country( beneath the soil argument). What is the >> view of Cde JC on that, bling or no bling on the part of ANCYL, this >> interpretation needs to be answered by leading communists like JC..... >> considering that it is the Chair of the Party who spoke about the Act. >> I do think that a seperate discussion with JM on his attitude towards >> Communists in general is relevant. It is true that he seems to be aligned >> with the "swaar gevaar" brigade! >> Let us not miss the 'moment'! >> Comradely, >> Cedric >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Kaizer Mohau >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Comrades >>> >>> Comrades it is my view that this Malema and Cronin matter must be >>> debated properly so that we do not end up making strategic mistakes >>> which will cause the undermining of Polokwane strategic victory. In >>> all honesty both Cde Julius and JC must take responsibilities for >>> causing this crisis. >>> >>> Firstly, Comrade JC has a tendency of attacking other Comrades in the >>> media as though that is the only platform on which to engage other >>> cadres. Two or Three years ago, Comrade JC attacked those who >>> supported Cde President Jacob Zuma and he called the criminals - This >>> is oje example - today he speaks about a debate within our structures, >>> again addressing journalists. >>> >>> Having said that, Cde Julius Malema, got very low by labeling Cde JC >>> as white messiah - this language was authored by the 1996 class >>> project, during its tactic of destroying the Alliance - this label was >>> equally used when the reactionary North West Provincial leadership >>> called for the eradication of dual membership. >>> >>> So it will never be correct and understandable if we fail to apply our >>> heads and hearts very seriously on this matter. >>> >>> In as much as I agree with the Party view on this matter - I believe >>> it was not neccessary for the Party to enter this debate however >>> important it is for the Party to defend its leaders and cadres, the >>> Party must ensure that it promotes comradely debates. >>> >>> Now, it is going to be my final conclusion in my coming attempted >>> proper analysis on this issue - so as Cde Blade Nzimande, General >>> Secretary of the SACP usually say "Asikhulume" >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > But comrades, to be honest Jeremy Cronin's input also attacked >>> Malema.... >>> > leaders must find time to tell our leader that he started this whole >>> thing. >>> > Poor Malema! >>> > >>> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults >>> >> >>> >> 21 November 2009 >>> >> >>> >> The Young Communist League of SA (uFasimba) is disgusted with the >>> insults >>> >> and racist labels from Julius Malema under the guise of criticism of >>> the >>> >> Deputy General of the SACP, Jeremy Cronin. The YCL believes that >>> Malema has >>> >> sunk to the lowest ebb of being racist and hurling insults, instead of >>> >> engaging with profound debates that Cde. Cronin was raising. >>> >> >>> >> We view the labelling of Cde. Cronin as a "white messiah" not only as >>> >> racist, but as an insult to the principle and ideology of the National >>> >> Liberation Movement, that of non-racism. We are confident that the >>> majority >>> >> of members of the ANC Youth League do not share these racist and >>> insulting >>> >> labels. We also view the racist and insulting labels as a lost >>> opportunity >>> >> for Malema to engage with the all important debate on >>> "nationalisation". We >>> >> must emphasise that the "call for nationalisation" is not the preserve >>> of >>> >> Malema, and that invitation to debate should not be a trap to lure >>> people >>> >> into a racist, insulting and senseless room. >>> >> >>> >> Why invoke Nelson Mandela to justify Racist and Insulting Labels >>> >> >>> >> We note that Malema substitute a sensible debate for insults and >>> racist >>> >> labels, and bravery for disrespect; but we believe that we can >>> disagree on >>> >> any issue and still maintain respect as comrades. What is worse is >>> that >>> >> Malema invokes the names of respectable leaders of the ANC, including >>> Nelson >>> >> Mandela, to justify this nonsensical insults and racist remarks. >>> >> >>> >> The fact that Mandela was not a communist at the time and used to >>> disrupt >>> >> Communist Party meetings does not give Malema permission to act in >>> such >>> >> backward fashion. Mandela has recorded these auto-biographical facts >>> so that >>> >> we learn from it, and not repeat it like headless chickens with the >>> hope >>> >> that we (including Malema) will one day be like Mandela. If we do >>> that, it >>> >> means that we should follow every little act and statement that >>> Mandela made >>> >> like parrots, even when the conditions do not allow. We now know more >>> about >>> >> the need for the Alliance and the relationship between the SACP and >>> the ANC >>> >> than Mandela did, and we should follow his latter day example of >>> >> respectfully engaging with Alliance leaders. >>> >> >>> >> Alliance Protocol >>> >> >>> >> We are also disappointed that the call from the ANC President and the >>> >> Alliance Summit for a "cease of fire" in trading insults is being >>> undermined >>> >> by Malema. >>> >> >>> >> We will in the coming week ask for a meeting with the leadership of >>> the >>> >> ANC Youth League to discuss this and other matters. >>> >> >>> >> Issued by the YCLSA Head Office >>> >> >>> >> Contact >>> >> >>> >> Gugu Ndima >>> >> >>> >> National spokesperson >>> >> >>> >> O767831516 >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Gugu Ndima >>> >> +27 76 783 1516 >>> >> >> >>> > >>> >>> Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: * >>> http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer* >>> >>> >>> >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. 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