@Mapholoba. I was just pulling your leg my leader. "Nationalization" or "Socialization" does not really matter to a peasant down in Swayimane, KwaMafuse, Seshego and a floor cleaner in iMbali who house eletricity keeps on being switched on and off once she/he defaults on monthly bills etc. But what matters is that the 'state' must be able to use its political muscle to alter the skewed economic conditions in the favor of the people. But what matters is that the state-in the immediate- is able to progressively level the playing ground so that both the have and have nots are equally benefitting in the post-94 epoch. But what matters is that the victory by the ANC and the Alliance is able to bring food on the table. But what matters is that the people enjoy the benefits of mineral resources extracted from their land. But am afraid to say that such is all mythical under the status quo. But am afraid to say that my limited understanding of history does not have an example where a negotiated settlement ever closed the gap between abadla izambane likampodo (the rich) and abadla imbuya ngothi (the poor). But am afraid to say that no wonder South Africa contested and won the position of being the no1 unequal society or country. Sandile, am sure uyabona lapho eDambuza ukuthi things are falling apart, the centre is not holding. The native that is in charge of the governement is continuing where the coloniser left. The only difference is that we are misled to believe that we are free. Mind you, there is not worse oppressed person than the one who assumed that he/she is free. I think it only when the state can decisively intervene in the economy that it will have neccessary capital or resources to change the lives of our people for better. Sandile, the reliance of the state on private business to fund its programs continues to make the state to dance to the subtle tune played by big business. Why are we afraid because all these capital and property that the whites have was "accumulated through dispossession (read: day light robbery". Sandile, sekugcono silithathe... Aluta. Do not mind the grammar and coherence, I am admitting that I wrote this out of anger because most if not everyone activists (maybe I included) seem to be suffering from a syndrome of wanting to feel important and increase their pockets. This is not strange since the environment shapes consciousness and few are able to shape the environment. We-Sandile have you heard abour a documentary called Zeitgiest 1&2 and Das Kapital DVD 13 seminars? That is all power, my leader. You can come to Varsity before Wednesday to get a copy. Just bring an empty DVD. And please share it with as many comrades as you can. Kuyafiwa!!! Ward 3 kz221 ANCYl branch Sec and ANC branch dept-Sec. Guerilla T.S. Zondi
>>> Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]> 11/23/2009 11:55 AM >>> @SAM ZONDI we can either debate both chief; I'm just using the terminology that I'M familiar with, please bare with me!!! On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Samson Zondi <[email protected]> wrote: @Ngcobo. Hawu kanti the thesis is the "nationalization of the mines"? Why is this the thesis? Why cant it be the socialization of the mines? Any idea? my leader. >>> Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]> 11/23/2009 9:12 AM >>> I've always admired Cde JC, His revolutionary understanding is amusing. I've always expected him to to give guidance, clarity, while instilling revolutionary discipline more especially amongst young cadres of our movement like Cde JM. When he decided to attack Malema in public; what was he (AND US) expecting in return??? Malema did not surprise me; I suspected that he was going to respond in the manner he did. Cde DGS of the party should learn to engage in the correct platforms not in front of cameras. let us not loose the thesis here; which is nationalisation of mines! On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:46 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: Comrades, I think there is the "moment" that we risk missing here. The ANCYL has gotten the ANC NEC to agree to receive a paper on nationalisation in their next meeting. I think the role of communists is therefore to take advantage of that "moment" and write a paper that must help all of us without attacking anyone in the process. I am happy that Comrade Kaizer agrees with me that Cde JC is not at all innocent in this thing whilst we do not condone the tone of the response from the ANCYL, but we expected more from JC in the light of the moment. I am saying this mindful of the fact that some have said the Act was as far as we could go as a country( beneath the soil argument). What is the view of Cde JC on that, bling or no bling on the part of ANCYL, this interpretation needs to be answered by leading communists like JC..... considering that it is the Chair of the Party who spoke about the Act. I do think that a seperate discussion with JM on his attitude towards Communists in general is relevant. It is true that he seems to be aligned with the "swaar gevaar" brigade! Let us not miss the 'moment'! Comradely, Cedric On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Comrades Comrades it is my view that this Malema and Cronin matter must be debated properly so that we do not end up making strategic mistakes which will cause the undermining of Polokwane strategic victory. In all honesty both Cde Julius and JC must take responsibilities for causing this crisis. Firstly, Comrade JC has a tendency of attacking other Comrades in the media as though that is the only platform on which to engage other cadres. Two or Three years ago, Comrade JC attacked those who supported Cde President Jacob Zuma and he called the criminals - This is oje example - today he speaks about a debate within our structures, again addressing journalists. Having said that, Cde Julius Malema, got very low by labeling Cde JC as white messiah - this language was authored by the 1996 class project, during its tactic of destroying the Alliance - this label was equally used when the reactionary North West Provincial leadership called for the eradication of dual membership. So it will never be correct and understandable if we fail to apply our heads and hearts very seriously on this matter. In as much as I agree with the Party view on this matter - I believe it was not neccessary for the Party to enter this debate however important it is for the Party to defend its leaders and cadres, the Party must ensure that it promotes comradely debates. Now, it is going to be my final conclusion in my coming attempted proper analysis on this issue - so as Cde Blade Nzimande, General Secretary of the SACP usually say "Asikhulume" On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: > But comrades, to be honest Jeremy Cronin's input also attacked Malema.... > leaders must find time to tell our leader that he started this whole thing. > Poor Malema! > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> YCLSA Disgusted by Malema's Racism and Insults >> >> 21 November 2009 >> >> The Young Communist League of SA (uFasimba) is disgusted with the insults >> and racist labels from Julius Malema under the guise of criticism of the >> Deputy General of the SACP, Jeremy Cronin. The YCL believes that Malema has >> sunk to the lowest ebb of being racist and hurling insults, instead of >> engaging with profound debates that Cde. Cronin was raising. >> >> We view the labelling of Cde. Cronin as a "white messiah" not only as >> racist, but as an insult to the principle and ideology of the National >> Liberation Movement, that of non-racism. We are confident that the majority >> of members of the ANC Youth League do not share these racist and insulting >> labels. We also view the racist and insulting labels as a lost opportunity >> for Malema to engage with the all important debate on "nationalisation". We >> must emphasise that the "call for nationalisation" is not the preserve of >> Malema, and that invitation to debate should not be a trap to lure people >> into a racist, insulting and senseless room. >> >> Why invoke Nelson Mandela to justify Racist and Insulting Labels >> >> We note that Malema substitute a sensible debate for insults and racist >> labels, and bravery for disrespect; but we believe that we can disagree on >> any issue and still maintain respect as comrades. What is worse is that >> Malema invokes the names of respectable leaders of the ANC, including Nelson >> Mandela, to justify this nonsensical insults and racist remarks. >> >> The fact that Mandela was not a communist at the time and used to disrupt >> Communist Party meetings does not give Malema permission to act in such >> backward fashion. Mandela has recorded these auto-biographical facts so that >> we learn from it, and not repeat it like headless chickens with the hope >> that we (including Malema) will one day be like Mandela. If we do that, it >> means that we should follow every little act and statement that Mandela made >> like parrots, even when the conditions do not allow. We now know more about >> the need for the Alliance and the relationship between the SACP and the ANC >> than Mandela did, and we should follow his latter day example of >> respectfully engaging with Alliance leaders. >> >> Alliance Protocol >> >> We are also disappointed that the call from the ANC President and the >> Alliance Summit for a "cease of fire" in trading insults is being undermined >> by Malema. >> >> We will in the coming week ask for a meeting with the leadership of the >> ANC Youth League to discuss this and other matters. >> >> Issued by the YCLSA Head Office >> >> Contact >> >> Gugu Ndima >> >> National spokesperson >> >> O767831516 >> >> -- >> Gugu Ndima >> +27 76 783 1516 >> >> > Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer ( http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer/ ) <BR Please find our Email Disclaimer here: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. 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