Parrots! Shame! On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Thembinkosi Josopu < [email protected]> wrote:
> Whilst I concur with this scientific observation “ruling ideas are those > of the ruling class” we should ask ourselves as to what happens when people > use this as a façade towards their misguided actions and misfortunes, as it > would be dangerous of us to be myopic and see the aforesaid statement as a > dogma scientific as it is. I want to believe that within our organizations > there are those who unconsciously or consciously protects the interests of > capital. And in some instances the same people might be exposed by the media > for their selfish ends, it would therefore be suicidal to apply a one size > fits all approach. > > > > If my memory serves me well it was in October the 19th wherein some media > institutions and mainly black journalists were banned by the apartheid > regime as they were not serving the interests of the government of the day, > are we therefore going to say during this particular ruling class ideas were > not dominant?...yes many of us continuously say Sowetan is one of the > newspapers who were progressive during apartheid days, didn’t we have ruling > class at that time to dictate terms on them? > > > > Are we saying here that all journalists serve the interests of the ruling > class; I don’t believe that for a second. Equally I fully support that any > wrong doing or journalist accepting brown envelopes must be brought to book, > I am 100% behind that but I have a problem when this information comes out > in a form of a threat to those who might write scathing stories about some > of us, as I find that opportunistic. > > > > We must expose corruption whenever it rears its ugly head and not be > selective or seasonal in our approach in that way we would be laying a good > foundation. > > > > Also I am one of those who tends not to be concerned about private lives of > other people, to me it doesn’t really matter who sleeps with whom, as it is > a private matter between those consenting individuals. We must indeed reject > any form of interference to private of other citizens. > > > > *SAY NO TO THOSE WHO SNEAK INTO OTHER PEOPLES PRIVATE LIVES/BEDROOMS!* > > > *Thembinkosi Josopu* > *Student Admissions & Advocacy Services* > *University of Cape Town* > *Level 3, Kramer Law building* > *Middle Campus* > *Rondebosch,7700* > *Tel :021-650-2429* > *Fax:021-650-4014* > ** > ** > ** > *"A great leader's courage to fulfill his vision comes from passion, not > position"* > > > >>> Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> 2010/03/18 01:50 PM >>> > I propose that we unpack the character of our media in this country. I > am very sure that we all agree that our media does not play the expected > role. In a class struggle ideas, beliefs and values are important and media > is a very strong tool that cannot be left in the hands of class rivals. But > to be honest in the spats of the past two months you one does not not the > difference between a revolutionary and a reactionary, between communist and > capitalist, between conscious or spontaneous assertions etc. Our media has > also played a large role in pitting comrades against each other. This > country, I repeat, is far from producing alternative media. *I was told > that Kaya FM or Y-FM, I am not sure which one, is the product of the ANC. > *If this is real, are we using it to the advantage of our revolution? > I believe Floyd we also close space when we attack people that we should > have won to our side. The liberation movement, we say is an omnibus, meaning > that we should mobilise communities and consolidate them behind the ideals > of the working biased NDR. Journalists should form part of that. The recent > internal and dynamic processes in the movement have shown that self-destruct > is possible if there are no revolutionary checks and balances in what we do, > these can come thru patriotic media, revolutionary Alliance, communities, > revolutionary intellectuals etc. > importance of ideas, beliefs and values with regard to the class > struggle. > On 3/18/10, Nyiko Floyd Shivambu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things >> consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a >> class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident >> that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as >> thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and >> distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling >> ideas of the epoch"...... >> This stems from a correct scientific discovery by a revolutionary >> scientific socialist, Karl Marx, whose correct observation was that "the >> ideas of a the ruling class are in every epoch, the ruling ideas". I am now >> worried that Dominic (whom you refer to as VC) is misguiding 'commmunists" >> to defend Journalists, who in a capitalist society are agents of the >> capitalist mental reproduction. factionalism has potential to annihiliate >> our organisation. >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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