So, you say "shame" is o.k., but "sies" is not o.k.? "Parrot" is o.k., but, let's say, "Text Juggler" or "Phrasemonger" would not be o.k.?
Anybody can see that you are pushing a double standard, comrade. People will get paid in their own coin; and the harder they come, the harder they will fall. VC On 19 March 2010 08:42, Khutjo Mphahlele < [email protected]> wrote: > Morning Comrades > Comrade Dominic and Floyd your difference should not at all come and affect > as if we there when you started do differ with views..Why I am saying so is > that somebody can sense and feel the heat between the two. But I am just > curious to then extend that Dominic end up saying 'sies' on the other > fellow. We are not in this forum to massage sumother people's verbal > diarrhea. Other people might look up to the people like Dominic in line > with > clarity they provide and on significant issues. But coming here and swear > to > other people and thinking that its Journalist right then we turn to differ > as well. I wonder if you wrote then read after because it seems you just > write and press the send button without even checking how matured and old > are you. > > I smell a rat and the fat from this comrade fellow(Dominic).It's not a > journalist's right to write 'sies' in this forum. And if then those people > they think have rights who do they are because they just individuals who > are > earning through other people's strengths and efforts. > > I am so disappointed in you Dominic and I hope one you will right and read > and consider other people's feelings and respect them. I remain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt on > journos? > > We were supposed to get World Cup Fever. > > Instead we got Floyd Flu, Malema Enema, and Jub-Jub Jaundice. > > Sies! > > > > > On 18 March 2010 17:38, Lucky Biyase <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Comrade Nyiko, are you suggesting in any way, that this would be a > better > > world if the media were to be taken away? > > > > > > Lucky Biyase > > > > Business Report > > > > Reporter: Mining and Agriculture > > > > (011) 633 2671 > > > > (011) 838 2693 > > > > 083 345 3009 > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Makatse Mzukisi > > *Sent:* 18 March 2010 14:33 > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt > > on journos? > > > > Floyd, > > > > > > > > I believe that comrades who participate in this forum are not children > who > > can be blackmailed by your selective quotation of Karl Marx. We do not > want > > to be deflected from what the real issues are. If there are allegations > of > > corruption on the part of some ANCYL leaders, let that be investigated > > without you intimidating those institutions that ought to conduct such an > > investigation. Fighting corruption must not be used as rhetoric when > > conditions suit a particular clique. The YL must demonstrate leadership > and > > take upon itself to assist law enforcement agencies in investigating > those > > of us in the ANCYL who are alleged to be corrupt. > > > > > > > > If you have information about any person, whether journalist or comrade, > > who is corrupt, take it to the police station and file a case. Court > > processes will then ensue, applying laws of evidence, procedure and > criminal > > law. > > > > > > > > If you should know, Marxism is no dogma! The role of media is not only to > > engender ideas of the ruling class (maybe you should also unpack who > > constitute this ruling class). Media also plays a critical role as > watchdogs > > of society against the abuse of power as we have seen it. To suggest that > we > > must think that what ever we read from newspapers is cooked capitalist > ideas > > is rather mischievous, childish and naïve. > > > > > > > > We cannot be shy about defending media freedom because once we allow for > > threats to media freedoms, in no time that conduct will be extended to > our > > own freedoms as citizens. We are painfully aware of the apartheid > > experiences in this regard. > > > > > > > > Your obsession with a communist takeover of the ANC/ANCYL is a tired > > argument and reflects your immaturity in understating the character and > > class composition of the ANC/ANCYL. > > > > > > > > So please chief, engage constructively than threatening comrade VC using > > your selective Marxism dogma. > > > > > > > > Mzukisi Makatse > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Nyiko Floyd Shivambu > > *Sent:* 18 March 2010 02:01 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt > > on journos? > > > > > > > > Comrade Mzukisi > > > > > > > > Your view is balanced and reflects a sense of organic interaction with > > politics, not some desktop mobilisation of communists to support > Journalists > > against the ANC YL as done by certain people. This mobilisation even goes > to > > the extent to mobilising some SOS, which has nothing to do with this > issue > > to oppose the ANC YL, because someone finds it fashionable to oppose the > > movement. It's really unscientific and illusionary to believe that media > can > > in a capitalist system, embrace progressive ideals. Let's wake up and > smell > > the coffee. This world is real. > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I propose that we unpack the character of our media in this country. I am > > very sure that we all agree that our media does not play the expected > role. > > In a class struggle ideas, beliefs and values are important and media is > a > > very strong tool that cannot be left in the hands of class rivals. But to > be > > honest in the spats of the past two months you one does not not the > > difference between a revolutionary and a reactionary, between communist > and > > capitalist, between conscious or spontaneous assertions etc. Our media > has > > also played a large role in pitting comrades against each other. This > > country, I repeat, is far from producing alternative media. *I was told > > that Kaya FM or Y-FM, I am not sure which one, is the product of the ANC. > > *If this is real, are we using it to the advantage of our revolution? > > > > > > > > I believe Floyd we also close space when we attack people that we should > > have won to our side. The liberation movement, we say is an omnibus, > meaning > > that we should mobilise communities and consolidate them behind the > ideals > > of the working biased NDR. Journalists should form part of that. The > > recent internal and dynamic processes in the movement have shown that > > self-destruct is possible if there are no revolutionary checks and > balances > > in what we do, these can come thru patriotic media, revolutionary > > Alliance, communities, revolutionary intellectuals etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > importance of ideas, beliefs and values with regard to the class > struggle= > > > DISCLAIMER: > This message and its attachments may contain information which is > confidential, private or privileged in nature or is protected by law. 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