Guys would be in JHB as from tommorow till Sunday and would you take good care of me
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jeje Yaqub <[email protected]> wrote: > I think some may want us to treat cde Floyd's personal responce to cde > Domza as a view of the YL,like they usually do when chickens comes home to > roast. Cde Floyd has correctly quoted Marx on the question of the dominant > ideas in every epoch, again he is correct to say the media is reactionary > and it also serves the interests of the ruling class. The fundamental > question that comes to mind is, what fraction of the state does the opposite > of what the media does. Without making an application of being called ultra > left, I find it seriously disturbing when cdes becomes selective on issues. > I differ fundamentally with anyone who thinks that journalists and not the > media, serves the interests of the ruling class. This is the same mistake or > ideology error made by uTrotsky saying police(workers in the armed forces) > cannot be working class as they serve the enemy class. The question is not > about where are you employed but about the entire class struggle. And in any > case the working class comprise of the workers (journalists included) and > the poor, therefore such cannot be seen as reactionary by anyone who claims > to be communist. > > Cde Floyd, i would not entertain your position about the role played by cde > VC for history has taught me not to engage on petty struggles for such might > alienate one from the entire collective. As you state that journalists are > agents of capitalists, I'm not sure what informs your undialectical > conclusion but however I don't believe you might think that workers are > agents of the bourgeoisie simply because of the conditions they find > themselves in. If cde Floyd was to be reminded or taught, the struggle is > not waged on conditions of our own making (we do not choose the material > conditions). > > Can anyone who thinks journalists are agents of capitalism please inform me > what role is parliament playing in this whole debacle. > Is parliament not advancing the interest of the bourgeoisie, is our liberal > education system not serving as agents of capitalist mental reproduction. Is > it not maximization of profit through maximum exploitation that ensures > capitalism remains the order of the day. Can capitalism exploit its own > agents and if so, then what is the role of communists as they happen to be > the vanguard of the working class. Is it not the intention of the > bourgeoisie to divide the proletariat (journalists included) so that the > programme of making them more docile and easier to exploit economically can > be realised without any resistance. > > If journalists and any worker serving in any section of the state are to be > seen as agents of capitalism, then who stands to be mobilised by the > communists in our struggle for socialism. Cde Floyd's analysis are > absolutely inaccurate, they in fact serve the purpose of the bourgeoisie as > they seek to alienate some sections of the workers from the entire working > class contingent. Cde Floyd appears to me as an ideology vendor of every > description, who is more mobilized than ever to convince young people that > our only struggle is to defeat journalists and be good citizens. There has > been a major shift from the side of Floyd as a communist into the ranks of > our class enemies. Journalism can not be seen by young people as a > reactionary career simply because of the apolitical and unscrupulous > attitude of the YL towards journos. > > Let us refrain from confusing personality cults with umzabalazo for such > defeats the overall objective of all revolutionaries. > Cde Floyd consciously chose individuals and friends at the expense of the > revolution. He has forgotten the main reasons that made him join the > revolution, but in anycase the reasons initially had nothing to do with > personality cult or bling, they had everything to do with the interests of > workers that he chose to intimidate now of late. I therefore recommend that > cde Floyd should undergo a process of self cultivation in order to save > himself and any other young communist lost in the process. His primary goal > has never been bourgeios democracy but socialism which I still believe is. > > Get your facts straight commandante and vacate the area you find yourself > in, for it does you no good but corrupts your soul. > > Marx also said that "workers of the world unite" and such includes anyone > who owns no means of production but live by selling his/her capacity to work > And journalists meet the criteria. > > Remember cdes not to qoute Marx or any other great revolutionary in a > selective manner, for such is the recipe of distortion and fabrication. It > will also result in one being a revisionist of the worst kind which I doubt > that's what you may want. > > > The media serves the same purpose as parliament does and cde Floyd's > silence on the latter is very loud. The last time I checked, it was the > state that serves as a machinery to protect the interests of the > bourgeoisie, therefore your accusations carries no weight. > > Hasta siempre la commandante, > > Patria o muerte > > Avant Garde!!! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nyiko Floyd Shivambu <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thu, March 18, 2010 1:01:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt > on journos? > > "The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things > consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a > class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident > that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as > thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and > distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling > ideas of the epoch"...... > > This stems from a correct scientific discovery by a revolutionary > scientific socialist, Karl Marx, whose correct observation was that "the > ideas of a the ruling class are in every epoch, the ruling ideas". I am now > worried that Dominic (whom you refer to as VC) is misguiding 'commmunists" > to defend Journalists, who in a capitalist society are agents of the > capitalist mental reproduction. factionalism has potential to annihiliate > our organisation. > > -- > You are subscribed. 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