How dare you comrade to push for a motion of a no confidence of our president!
We sweated blood and tears for the honourable JG Zuma to be our president. We come very far with that cadre and no one can just say he has not done anything or he is not fit to govern this country. He is honest and cares for the poor. This president can actually speak and have a laugh with a little man in the street compared to the prior astute president we once had. If the comrade you had a dream of zuma being impeached then i suggest you wake up because it is something that will not happen in this lifetime. Again, people must not come to this forum and push cope agendas. You must go to your cope gatherings and address those agendas because we dont want to hear of them. UZuma ngowethu and we love him dearly. UZuma is our leader and we shall respect him till the end. Uzuma will rule until jesus comes back! U-ANC siyamthanda (love) and shall always love with all our hearts and souls!!! ANC uyarocka, ANC uyaleader!!! ANC rocks, ANC leads!!! AMANDLA!!! On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:47 AM, bongani makhubu <[email protected]>wrote: > Greetings Comrade Nqaba > > The nature of the content you are advancing in you debate is flawed, in a > sense that you are using correct analysis for wrong motives. Those of us who > had been in SASCO’s many forums and read articles Floyd narrated understood > the ideological level in which he engage issue on as historically poor > students as we were, and “Yes” today he lectures the diametric opposite from > the socialist assertion he advance not so long ago. However, you start to > depart with accurate political judgment when you try to find comparison > between his pseudo- revolutionary character and the prior Polokwane events. > > Unless you want to invite us on polemics of your so called “substitution of > revolutionary theory with slurs in building up to Polokwane” therefore we > can debate that. It is an open secret that the very same slur, patronage and > personality cults you are going-on about are the precise regrettable > ingredients that constituted COPE which is why even today you are discussing > motion of no confidence to the President of the country as oppose to > drafting a programme of action to boost your visibility in the society. > > Please re-visit the content of your argument and resubmit, we will take it > from there. > > Bongani (Bazuka) > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Siyabusa Ntuli <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >>> "Nqaba Bhanga" <[email protected]> 23/03/2010 09:22 >>> >> Floyd Shivambu an all rounder >> >> I once had a lot time spent with Cde floyd and Philemon Lukhele when Cde >> floyd was the President of Wits SRC deployed by SASCO. We spent time in >> debating both Political and Social challenges confronting our society. We >> had discussions and social networks with different people and characters in >> his room that i used when i visited wits and 7th Street in Melville >> Johannesburg. >> >> When i was Secretary General of SASCO the two Comrades were vehemently >> opposed to the views of the collective i lead but tolerated my company. >> Floyd then had fundamental strong opinion about the road to Socialism and >> opposed a narrow nationalism articulation and that emphasized the national >> question over the class question. He was an energetic Marxism and a >> proponent of the working class hegemony in Society. >> >> He challenged us to open up debates in the organization and not to >> oppress opposing views ,he was our opposing opponent he wrote about us in >> Discussion Forums and we remained friends. He contested our views on the >> National Democratic Revolution. He lead a debate for SASCO to be a Socialist >> student Movement he was defeated but he was persistent ,he challenged the >> two stage theory.Cde floyd in his student days was a debater and a writer >> that was tolerant of different views. >> >> When i was told that he then elected to the leadership of the ANCYL , I >> went back to memory lane and said truly our efforts to balance his theory >> and his understanding of the co relationship between the national struggle >> and the class struggle was a success. Today he understand this dichotomy. >> >> However im every disappointed with his recent low level harassment of >> Jouranilist as desperation to defend his organization, this is not the floyd >> that challenged us when he felt he was harassed by the then leadership of >> Gauteng , this not then floyd that hated capitalism,this not the floyd that >> defined us as the 1996 class project. >> >> What went wrong to floyd and the Lukhele i know , when the revolutionary >> theory was substituted with slurs in build up to Polokwane it compromised >> theory of the revolutionary movement from revolutionary theory to patronage >> and personality cult.Today the Politics of the Revolutionary movement are no >> longer about how the capacity of Cadres but the slurs we put in Public and >> insults. >> >> I know many we will respond with the utter slurs to this comment but any >> revolutionary movement that lose its tradition and culture it is doomed to >> follow all lost revolutions. This revolution is a stolen revolution, through >> populism and opportunism. >> >> Floyd shivambu a writter and a reader ,what went wrong to the good >> revolutionary spirit you had >> >> >> Disclaimer >> >> Before acting on the contents of this e-mail, the recipient should verify >> that the originator has the appropriate authority and any person neglecting >> to obtain such verification will be acting entirely at his/her own risk. >> >> Please further note that any confidential, private or privileged >> information contained in the message is subject to legal privilege. >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >> this message. >> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> options, pages, files and membership. >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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