"prove Me wrong" or "Your critique" or "30 years" are just terminologies 
in the conscious domain relative to the "effects" resulted from various 
"causes".  These are all phenomenon manifested by the "true form" of 
Chan.  All inclusive.  All impermanent.  All transient.

For knowledge sake, please continue on this thread.

For Chan sake, there is no right, no wrong, no me, no you and no 30 
years, just us, a bunch of ignorance fools. Of course it includes me.  
(in Al's language) LOL


Robert Kirbo wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> The critique was a well founded one regarding zen and the impossible  
>> sentimentality of the seasons (this is just not Zen)
> No, the critique was a foolish one on a poetry form that you are not  
> schooled in,
> and your constant harping on what you deem to be Zen or not Zen constitutes
> an insistance of dialectic that is itself rather alien to Zen.
> Stop instructing and begin actually being the nature of Zen.  Your example  
> by
> commentary is really moving further and further from Zen and further and  
> further
> into your own ego.
> Prove me wrong and respond without an "argument" or critique.
> Cheers,
> Zenbob
> After today, will be out of town for a while...so this is my closing  
> comment.  I did make
> an attempt to close on a more harmonious note, as posted earlier.

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