Hi Al, 
I'm a Kyokushin karate practioner and have represented Australia (actually I'm 
Welsh, but it's a long story..) at the international level. I have found Zen to 
be indispensable when fighting in competitions. If you start worrying 
negatively about the outcome of the fight, or regret not training hard enough 
then by the time you get on the mat you'll have expended too much nervous 
energy and/or react too slow to your opponents strikes and kicks. In training 
the same Zen principles applies - the kick or punch you throw NOW is the most 
important kick or punch you will ever throw in your life so put 100% into it.

 The outcome of this training is the development of mushin (or 'no mind') where 
the fear of losing and injury doesn't exist. The Japanese call this spirit 
'Budo'. Any focus on 'Chi' is minimal or non-existent although that's not to 
say it doesn't exist. It's just that focusing on the mind/ego thru zazen is 
much more  important and crucial to this development. I've often seen kung fu 
players performing intricate chi-type exercises before a competion and then 
come out and get their arses kicked by fighters who wouldn't know their chi if 
it jumped and bit them on their [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike.

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From: Fitness63 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 September, 2008 12:26:56
Subject: [Zen] JUDO

By the way, I learned a lot from that old Judo instructor. 
He is a very nice guy and now he is in his 80s. 
I think that he felt that Judo and Zen were intertwined 
and that zen helped him focus his CHI to be better at Judo. 
I think that is why the samurai also were devoted to zen. 
It was not because they were atheists who believed in nothing. I would like to 
hear from those who have experience in Judo or other martial arts and whether 
not you are aware of CHI and if it has any relationship to zazen in your 


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