Hi Edgar,  You are not wrong, but like most of my post, incomplete to a 
degree.  Since this subject was brought out by one of our practitioner 
in a different group.  I am not sure, this is the right place to 
discuss.  Continue this direction requires some deeper understanding of 
Tao, of which I am confident that you know a lot.

On your first paragraph however, people here may be interested.  Can you 
detail what you mean by, "there is no after death state."?  And "we can 
not experience death"?

Much obliged,

Edgar Owen wrote:
> JM,
> At death we are NOT moving from one state to another. There is no 
> after death state. Life is consciousness. Death is an illusion in the 
> sense that it is never experienced. Is is not and can not be part of 
> direct experience, therefore it is non existent and the greatest of 
> illusions. In terms of direct experience only other beings can die. 
> There is no after death state.
> Also people can get carried away and deluded on trying to identify and 
> classify what is yang and what is yin. While it is a good model to 
> understand Tao as the basic substance resolving itself into a 
> multitude of opposing forces, trying to classify which of those forces 
> is yang and which is yin misses the point. There are a multitude of 
> opposing forces that doesn't mean half are yang forces and half are 
> yin forces, they are all different and have their own characteristics. 
> Yang and yin are to be understood as a template, not an actual 
> classification system for all forces. By classifying forces as yang 
> and yin one misses the true nature of those forces.
> Edgar
> On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
>> Al, How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French?
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [HeartChan] Re: [Fwd: Stillness In Motion
>> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Fuu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:shaolin.zen%40gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:HeartChan%40googlegroups.com>
>> To: Heart Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> <mailto:HeartChan%40googlegroups.com>>
>> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> <mailto:48CE7B38.3070301%40gmail.com>>
>> _/\_
>> Here is my take on this coming from a Shaolin background. When we do
>> motion Chan we are in mostly yang state. When we do sitting Chan we
>> are in a mostly yin state. I say mostly because... When we do Yang
>> Chan we we try to maintain a Yin mind, inner state, When we do
>> sitting, our mind is focusing on moving Chi. Our breath is in motion,
>> our blood is in motion. Even trying to have a yin mind, and no mind,
>> we are experiencing a form of Yang. As with the symbol of Tai Chi/yin
>> yang there is no pure one or the other, there is only degrees of both.
>> Even at death we are moving from one state to another, even if it is
>> just physically. I would say true form is flowing.
>> _/\_


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