Mike and Edgar,
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.
The last picture in the Ox Herding series is the enlignented being
returning to the market place (everyday life), not ascending to
heaven in a blaze of glory.
What is after satori? When hungy, I eat. When tired, I sleep. Oh
yeah, and then there's the laundry.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
>
> I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you state,
> having done quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is
that
> there are other ways which in my case at least are now more
effective
> in keeping me on the path. Basically just constantly remembering
to
> look at reality....
>
> Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry!
>
> Best,
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Edgar,
> >
> > In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the
> > title of the book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the
> > author). To my mind, this does kind of imply the ordinariness of
> > our true, natural state. I think that people here are getting to
> > hung up about what satori is and once experienced is
enlightenment
> > forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment
> > experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to another
in
> > an instance. I think this is the main difference between our way
of
> > thinking. I believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps to
> > keep a person mindful of their emotions day to day and moment to
> > moment and so helps them recognise the desires and aversions
that
> > lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a spontaneous kensho
or
> > who loses their sense of self in a sporting activity/nature/
> > listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time
and
> > will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily
practice
> > designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike.
> >
> >
> >
>
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