I have met Zhaozhou face-to-face.  His response 'mu' to his student's question 
on whether a dog (or duck or maggot) did not mean 'no'.  In our vernacular it 
could be translated as 'whatever', or 'moot'.  If you're spending all your time 
or posts speculating about Buddha Nature you're barking up the wrong tree, or 
swimming in the wrong pond, or gnawing on the wrong carrion.

Back in Thailand and lurking no more...Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Nature?

Edgar,
 
Your missed the point. On the one hand, everything has Buddha nature (your word 
'innate' is correct). On the other, you should not attach to that idea. That is 
why Bill Smart's great grand father Zhaozhou zen master says, 'no', when asked 
'does a dog have Buddha nature?'.
 
Anthony

--- On Fri, 19/12/08, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Ducks Have Buddha Nature?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 19 December, 2008, 11:56 PM
Anthony, 

It is nonsense to think that humans could convey Buddha nature on to anything 
at all by thinking about them. Buddha nature is innate in all things.

Your ignorant Zhaozhou master needs a duck to teach him about Buddha nature!

Edgar



On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:



Karin,
 
Ducks have Buddha nature when we have sympathy with them. When you think about 
them in general terms, they should have no Buddha nature. Otherwise, you would 
attach to them. That is a teaching from Zhaozhou zen master.
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 16/12/08, Karin <tortillera77@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Karin <tortillera77@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Ducks Have Buddha Nature?
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 4:55 PM
I work at a shopping mall and there is a canal nearby and there are 
lots of ducks in the area.. I feed them out of the back of the store 
sometimes, and they run towards me and I talk to them. That is fun. 

However, many people dislike the ducks because they poop a lot, and I 
have seen some people run them over with their cars when they are 
driving through the shopping center. They have contempt for the ducks 
and think that if the ducks are in the way of the car, it is OK to run 
over them. This is very sad to me. 

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