As I was pointing out to a post to DP; from time to time someone amongst us 
gives a bell to help us all back into the flow of zen.  I always enjoy and 
benefit from your posting whatever subject you talk about.  you have always 
seem to have a funny occurrence or a valuable insight or if not you bring 
something to make us all think about it.  Each posting has its own value.  

Thank you  for your consideration and kind response

--- On Wed, 6/10/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Note
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 22:39


Fair enough. I've been pretty quiet on the forum recently, but felt I had to 
respond to DP's assertion that atheists were "gloating" over scoring higher in 
a questionaire on religion. As an atheist myself I couldn't let that pass. My 
responses were pretty much designed to goad a reaction from a glassy-eyed 
fundamentalist, but to DP's credit he is much more reasonable, intelligent and 
moderate than that (my apologys to DP for the assumption). To take the matter 
back to things Zen. I don't put Zen in the same category as religion, in the 
sense of the monotheitic traditions, because Zen doesn't rely on words or 
scripture and the outwardly ceremonial aspects can easily be dismissed (they're 
just representative of a cultural overlay, anyway). I think there's a huge 
difference between Jesus' exhortation to "Follow me (or else)" and Buddha's "Ba 
a lamp unto yourself". I'm much more in the Sam Harris camp (an atheist and a 
scientist) than the
 Dawkins/Hitchens camp. Harris sees the danger of religion mixing with 
politics, but doesn't dismiss the mystical/'spiritual' aspect of human 
experience, although he does dimiss the religious overlay that is usually put 
onto these experiences (in other words, peak/transcendant experiences occur in 
all cultures and is a universal, human experience - not divine). Having had 
such an experience myself, I can't dismiss them as easily as Dawkins et al. 
Hope that puts things back on topic : )

From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
To: Zen Forum <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 3:26:17
Subject: [Zen] Note


Hello all:
Whatever them has always welcome in this forum.  And that has made from this 
forum a nice one to participate on.  However, it has been noticeable to me  
that the forum is getting less zen and more chatting and religious, politics 
themes.  That is gaining strenght and overtaking all the essence and energy of 
just rare zen postings.  And this is kind of sad.  Discussions of all kinds 
plus chatting are ok but if those discussions away of zen wave overtake the 
forum, then what is left for the practicioners to share or even to participate 
on it as the posting gets swallow by all the rest non zen posting?.  There are 
religious boards for every religion, why not to become a member there and do 
the posting over there?.  Just a thought.

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