Anthony, Physical laws are illusions, but the phenomena (experience) which they attempt to describe cannot be ignored.
See the koan 'Hyakujo and the Fox', Case 2 - THE GATELESS GATE collection. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:10 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine Bill, So you still observe physical law, despite you calling it illusion. Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 10:42 PM Anthony, No, I wouldn’t drink freshly brewed coffee immediately. I’d put cream in it first…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:21 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine Bill, I know. Everything is illusory for you. That would be excellent. When you make your coffee with newly boiled water. It is also illusory. Would you drink it immediately? Anthony --- On Mon, 25/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 10:31 AM Ed and Anthony, Karma is illusory. I’ve written many posts about this in the past so I won’t go into all that here. If you are a Catholic and have faith in the priest, you can indeed receive absolution from interaction with a pedophilic priest. The absolution is not an action that takes place between you and the priest. It is an action that takes place between you and God. That is if you are Catholic. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:07 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine No, in Buddhism, karma is your action. Like in Newton's laws, once an action is done, there is certainly a reaction coming. You cannot 'surpass' your karma by sitting chan. If that was true, why not take an easier way of going to church and ask a pedophilic priest to absolve you? Anthony --- On Mon, 25/10/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 3:53 AM Hi JMJM, What is meant by the high-lighted sentence below? Is it a teaching of the Buddha? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: > Hi Ed, That's a description most valuable to the author. What we teach is, through Sitting Chan, as we gradually surpass the three karmic hindrances -- body, mind and spirit -- then we can witness or experience ourselves. Perhaps you have heard the statement about Chan, "It simply could not be described?" :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org JMJM, Like this: http://www.ahastories.com/whenwillibelivin.html ? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > Thank you. However, if I may point out... > > Every path is a path. Xin Xin Ming stated well... > > "The way is not hard, if we don't pick or choose.." > > Just live and die as is... > > :-) > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5558 (20101023) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5560 (20101024) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5562 (20101025) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5564 (20101026) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5565 (20101026) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5565 (20101026) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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