I meant my idea of myself, especially as having some spiritual significance,
is not reality.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>wrote:

>
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> *I'm not an illusion.  The only thing that is an illusion is the nonsense
> in me.
> *
> --- On *Thu, 4/11/10, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net>* wrote:
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> From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
> To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 0:09
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>  Aren't we all!
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Austin-Lane
> Sent from a cell phone
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> On Nov 3, 2010, at 16:17, Anthony Wu 
> <wu...@yahoo.com.sg<http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wu...@yahoo.com.sg>>
> wrote:
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>     Bill Smart himself is also an illusion. Don't atttach any spiritual
> significant.
>
> Anthony
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/11/10, 
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> <billsm...@hhs1963.org<http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=billsm...@hhs1963.org>
> >* wrote:
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> From: 
> billsm...@hhs1963.org<http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=billsm...@hhs1963.org><
> billsm...@hhs1963.org<http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=billsm...@hhs1963.org>
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> Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
> To:
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> Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 12:34 PM
>
>
> Ed,
>
> My comments are embedded below:
>
> [Ed] Questions, as usual, to ask oneself concening 'experience', with a
> view
> to clarify its meaning:
> Can the following be classified as kosher/halal experiences?
> o  A pentecostal Christian who has had a born-again experience?
> [Bill!] My opinion is that being born-again in the Christian context is not
> an experience, it is an illusion.
>
> o  Tony Blair's sister-in-law who recently reported a transcendental
> experience in Qum, Iran - and converted to Islam?
> [Bill!] Again, this is not an experience, this is an illusion.
>
> o  A Jewish woman whom I encountered in a group some years ago, who had a
> mystical experience of Allah and converted to Islam?
> [Bill!] An illusion.
>
> [Bill!] Viewing a sunset is an experience. Feeling warm rain fall on your
> face is an experience. Hearing birds sing is an experience. Tasting a
> peach is an experience. Smelling a dead dog rotting on the highway is an
> experience. The placing of any significance other than Just THIS! on the
> viewing, feeling, hearing, tasting or smelling of any of these things is
> creating illusions - and this certainly includes believing that any of
> these
> have a spiritual significance.
>
> ...Bill!
>
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