Bill/ Anthony,

As JK  wrote, "After the E.. the Laundry".  I have a different take on this.  
For me, everything is zen.  It is the attitude I bring to each and every 
activity that is zen.  All of those activities you mention can be deemed samu. 
I'm not saying that I am able to be this way every time, but with that mind, it 
does happen more consistently  as time passes.

That said, I'm posting from the web site, as some strange event has changed  my 
home page, and  I seem to be locked out of replying to messages from my 
yahoo-mail.   Yet, I remain serene.

(damn-- I need a house call from Chris;)

*bows to all*

Kristy

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Anthony,
> 
> After experiencing Buddha Nature there is indeed still everyday life, if 
> that’s what you mean by business as usual.  You still have to wake up, do 
> chores, eat, wash dishes, take out the garbage and sleep.  I didn’t go to 
> an orgy house before I began practicing zen so that’s not a issue for me.
> 
> …Bill!
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Anthony Wu
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:20 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Zen] New Member
> 
>   
> Bill,
>  
> You are saying that after realizing Buddha nature there is business as usual? 
> In other words, after ridding myself of illusions, I can enjoy orgy house? 
> You are welcome there too.
>  
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Tue, 30/11/10, billsm...@... <billsm...@...> wrote:
> 
> From: billsm...@... <billsm...@...>
> Subject: RE: [Zen] New Member
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 30 November, 2010, 6:08 PM
>   
> ED,
> 
> (Original and Corrected)
> 
> I started to respond to each of your points below one-by-one, but soon
> discovered all the responses were essentially the same: Zazen, the
> realization of Buddha Nature and zen practice are not done for the purpose
> of doing any of the things you list below, all of which are qualities of the
> illusory concept of self. Zazen, the realization of Buddha Nature and zen
> practice are done to rid yourself of illusions and most particularly the
> illusion of self.
> 
> So I guess I agree with you in a round-about, back-door way. If your goal
> is to work on or obtain any of the qualities you list below, then zazen, the
> realization of Buddha Nature and zen practice are probably not the way to go
> about that.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> From: zen_fo...@...! m [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of ED
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
> 
>   
> 
> Bill,
> Sitting can calm the mind and make it more receptive to the Teachings (of
> the Buddha); and living by these Teachings will drastically curtail the
> creation of new turmoil in the mind.
> It is not at all clear whether realizing Buddha Nature can augment one's
> psychological/emotional/relational smarts significantly, unless supplemented
> with mental health counseling - and then only perhaps.
> Nor will it necessarily rectify personality disorders.
> Nor does it guarantee deeper psychological insight into human or group
> behaviors.
> Nor does it necessarily strip one of the religio-cultural fakery that almost
> always becomes part and parcel of one's stance in life.
> Nor does it necessarily enhance understanding of normal and natural
> human and human group behavior.
> Nor does it ever completely neutralize the pull of the triple cardinal
> attractors: Wealth, sex and power.
> Nor does it necessarily enhance one's ethical insights and behaviors.
> Nor those it ever squash the ego, but possibly only refines it.
> --ED
> PS1: Please do not view the above statement as 'ex cathedra' utterances, but
> as statements to initiate the discussion of alternative perspectives and
> undertandings on these matters. 
> PS2: The ordinary human life is a non-attainment of the above goals.
>  
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> > 
> > Keep sitting for all our sakes. 
> > ...Bill!
>  
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