Edgar, 'Just piss' is a better idea. At least it releases pressure.
Anthony --- On Fri, 14/1/11, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 7:45 PM Just piss! Edgar On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Bill! wrote: Kristy, Just THIS is my attempt to communicate direct experience. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > I disagree. It is your belief about your experience. >  > Kristy > > > --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 5:13 PM > > >  > > > > Just THIS is not a belief, it is experience...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@> wrote: > > > > So is "just this". k ;) > > > > --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 4:05 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Science is a belief system...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - > > 覺妙精æËÅ"Ž <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello TMSO, > > > > > > I would say both are NOT believe systems. > > > > > > From my limited understanding, Tao is a system, or school well > > > documented. It primarily focuses on attaining immortality. I mean with > > > herbs, exercises, etc. etc. > > > > > > Chan is just a nick name for the entire universe for thousands of > > > years. I was curious to its origin many years ago. I dug here and > > > there and could not find an answer. Even Wikipedia stated, if I > > > remember correctly, "the original of Chan can not be traced." > > > > > > Chan did not have an official teaching order until BodhiDharma showed > > > up. But my teacher often pointed out how incomplete are some of the > > > Buddhist interpretation. > > > > > > Our school is really about direct, really is direct, experience. That's > > > all. > > > > > > Sorry, these are my best answers. JM > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > > > On 1/12/2011 2:57 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote: > > > > > > > > To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me some of the > > > > differences between Tao and Chan. Also, which belief system developed > > > > first. Thanks for your help...taomtnsage1@ > > > > <mailto:help...taomtnsage1%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
