I think the beliefs arise after the system. The beliefs may reinforce the system but do not cause the system and are not the system.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:28, "ED" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Bill and All, > > All systems, whether philosophical, psychological scientific, religious, etc. > or mixed rest on basic beliefs, principles, postulates and assumptions. > > In Zen, for instance, some of these premises might be: > > o Buddha Nature is a reality > > o Non-rational experiencing is of the essence, and the rational mind is a > delusion > > o Realizing Buddha Nature should be the primary goal of one's life > > o Experiencing kensho-satori is the mark of one's having commenced the > process of experiencing Buddha Nature > > o A more ongoing experience of "Just THIS" facilitates the occurrence of > kensho-satori > > o Regular and intense Shikantaza practice facilitates the ongoing state > of "Just THIS" > > o No blind reliance on religious texts, but blind dependence on the > guidance of Zen teachers is acceptable > > o An accredited Roshi is necessary to ascertain one's experience of > kensho-satori > > o etc. > > Chan has a few more premises like the existence of Chi, etc. > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > Kristy, > > > > Just THIS is my attempt to communicate direct experience. > > > > Whether you believe that or not is up to you. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain healthyplay1@ wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > I disagree. It is your belief about your experience. > > > > > > Kristy > > > > > > Just THIS is not a belief, it is experience...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > So is "just this". k ;) > > > > > Science is a belief system...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], JMJM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello TMSO, > > > > > > > > > > I would say both are NOT believe systems. > > > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding, Tao is a system, or school well > > > > > documented. It primarily focuses on attaining immortality. I mean > > > > > with > > > > > herbs, exercises, etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > Chan is just a nick name for the entire universe for thousands of > > > > > years. I was curious to its origin many years ago. I dug here and > > > > > there and could not find an answer. Even Wikipedia stated, if I > > > > > remember correctly, "the original of Chan can not be traced." > > > > > > > > > > Chan did not have an official teaching order until BodhiDharma showed > > > > > up. But my teacher often pointed out how incomplete are some of the > > > > > Buddhist interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Our school is really about direct, really is direct, experience. > > > > > That's > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, these are my best answers. JM > > > > > > > > On 1/12/2011 2:57 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me some of the > > > > > > differences between Tao and Chan. Also, which belief system > > > > > > developed > > > > > > first. Thanks for your help > > > > > >
