I think the noble eightfold path is sound teaching, and also just plan sense. I think if a person did not practice these things in there lives, the result would not be to good.
Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Tue, 2/1/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 2:12 AM ED, The Noble Eightfold Path is a very good example of why I don't consider zen a subset of Buddhism. First of all to assert there are 8 items of conduct such as this borders on hubris. Also to proceed all of them with a qualifier 'Right' is also an example of the impertinence that characterizes most religions. For all lists and dogmas and precepts and commandments, etc.., I must agree with a quote from Phaedrus by Plato: "And what is good, Phaedrus, And what is not good - Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?" No ED, zen does not concern itself with lists like this - at least the zen I practice does not. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > > The Noble Eightfold Path > > 1. Right View Wisdom > 2. Right Intention " > > > 3. Right Speech Ethical Conduct > 4. Right Action " > 5. Right Livelihood " > > > 6. Right Effort Mental Development > 7. Right Mindfulness " > 8. Right Concentration " > > > > Bill, > > I tend to class zen as the subset of Zen which focuses on steps 6., 7., > and 8. only of the Eightfold Noble Path, that is, on mental development > only. > > There is no concern for Buddhist altruistic motivation and worldview > (wisdom), nor for ethical conduct. > > 'zen' was probably practiced by the samurai, kamikaze pilots in WWII, > martial artists, Japanese businessmen competing with the US post-WWII, > and some sports over-achievers. > > --ED > > > > 1. Right View <#Right_View> Wisdom 2. Right Intention > <#Right_Intention> 3. Right Speech <#Right_Speech> Ethical Conduct > 4. Right Action <#Right_Action> 5. Right Livelihood > <#Right_Livelihood> 6. Right Effort <#Right_Effort> Mental > Development 7. Right Mindfulness <#Right_Mindfulness> 8. Right > Concentration <#Right_Concentration> > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Brett, > > > > I don't consider zen a sub-set of Zen Buddhism as do most. I consider > zen just a direct expierience of reality and independent of Buddhism. > Zen Buddhism to me is just a Buddhist expression of zen, using Buddhist > terms, tenets, precepts, etc... But be advised this is just my > interpretation and not the usual view. > > > > ...Bill! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
