Brett, My point is you don't have to have or subscribe to an 'eightfold path' to do all those things (and more) in your life.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Brett Corbin <brettalancorbin@...> wrote: > > I think the noble eightfold path is sound teaching, and also just plan > sense. I think if a person did not practice these things in there lives, the > result would not be to good. > > Brett > http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 > > --- On Tue, 2/1/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! BillSmart@... > Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 2:12 AM > > > ED, > > The Noble Eightfold Path is a very good example of why I don't consider zen a > subset of Buddhism. First of all to assert there are 8 items of conduct such > as this borders on hubris. Also to proceed all of them with a qualifier > 'Right' is also an example of the impertinence that characterizes most > religions. > > For all lists and dogmas and precepts and commandments, etc.., I must agree > with a quote from Phaedrus by Plato: > > "And what is good, Phaedrus, > And what is not good - > Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?" > > No ED, zen does not concern itself with lists like this - at least the zen I > practice does not. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Noble Eightfold Path > > > > 1. Right View Wisdom > > 2. Right Intention " > > > > > > 3. Right Speech Ethical Conduct > > 4. Right Action " > > 5. Right Livelihood " > > > > > > 6. Right Effort Mental Development > > 7. Right Mindfulness " > > 8. Right Concentration " > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > I tend to class zen as the subset of Zen which focuses on steps 6., 7., > > and 8. only of the Eightfold Noble Path, that is, on mental development > > only. > > > > There is no concern for Buddhist altruistic motivation and worldview > > (wisdom), nor for ethical conduct. > > > > 'zen' was probably practiced by the samurai, kamikaze pilots in WWII, > > martial artists, Japanese businessmen competing with the US post-WWII, > > and some sports over-achievers. > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > 1. Right View <#Right_View> Wisdom 2. Right Intention > > <#Right_Intention> 3. Right Speech <#Right_Speech> Ethical Conduct > > 4. Right Action <#Right_Action> 5. Right Livelihood > > <#Right_Livelihood> 6. Right Effort <#Right_Effort> Mental > > Development 7. Right Mindfulness <#Right_Mindfulness> 8. Right > > Concentration <#Right_Concentration> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > Brett, > > > > > > I don't consider zen a sub-set of Zen Buddhism as do most. I consider > > zen just a direct expierience of reality and independent of Buddhism. > > Zen Buddhism to me is just a Buddhist expression of zen, using Buddhist > > terms, tenets, precepts, etc... But be advised this is just my > > interpretation and not the usual view. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
