Well put, Ed.  To be whole - body, mind and spirit -- is the key...

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On 2/2/2011 11:58 AM, ED wrote:



Bill,

Whether the number of steps in the Eightfold noble path is 8 or 800 is
not relevant. Whether Zen is a subset of Buddhism or not is a non-issue.
And, you may use the qualifier 'right' or 'wholesome' or something else.

The point is that in addition to concentration meditation and
shikantaza, wholesome motivation, and wholesome thought, speech and
conduct are either necessary for or will greatly facilitate the
realization of Buddha Nature.

How wholesome motivation and wholesome behavior are cultivated in a
zenist is the zenist's choice. Buddhism offers a variety of practices to
achieve these two ends.

--ED

--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> ED,
>
> The Noble Eightfold Path is a very good example of why I don't
> consider
> Zen a subset of Buddhism. First of all to assert there are 8 items
> of conduct such as this borders on hubris. Also to proceed all of them
> with
> a qualifier 'Right' is also an example of the impertinence that
> characterizes most religions.
>
> Bill


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