JMJM. I lived in Berkeley/Rockridge from 1984-1995...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Hello Mayka, > > I completely agree. I said alone because you said, "... no one but Mel > responded." > > I was in Berkeley 1967 - 1972. A true hippie. Well?? > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 2/24/2011 12:32 PM, Maria Lopez wrote: > > > > /JMJM;/ > > // > > /The written style of your response sounded as kind of hippie from the > > sixties. / > > // > > /You have misunderstand my posting. I was only making a point and > > that was that in forums samsara have a greater power than actually the > > real dharma. That's all what I meant. . Posting addressed wasn't > > about feeling alone or something like that. But about how easy we are > > lead to samsara and how little is the strenght of the practice in the > > forum. I have no expectations of anyone given a response to my mail > > at all. What it meant was that is much easy to be dragged down by > > intellectual and samsara stronger energy in the forum rather than from > > the energy of the practice because there is no much of that in the > > forum. That's all what I meant. It was just merely a reflexion badly > > expressed obviously. / > > // > > /Thank you for good intentions ./ > > /Mayka/ > > > > --- On *Thu, 24/2/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ > > /<chan.jmjm@...>/* wrote: > > > > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list) > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 15:52 > > > > Mayka Dear, > > > > Please don't feel that you are alone. Many of us on the forum are > > with you. > > > > I am sure those on the forum who meditates "connect" with you. I > > am also somewhat certain those who do not, probably do not. Steve > > already posted something like, "... there are those wanted to show > > that they are right..." > > > > As you know, that's what delusion is. > > > > Harvey already said, "zen teachers can not be nice, need to talk > > like a blade." On the other hand, he also said, that we must drip > > instead of poring water over dry land. That's when as suggested > > by my teacher, "we need wisdom in our journey to accompany > > compassion." > > > > It's time for me to support Mel's post a little in my next post. > > > > :-) > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/> > > http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/> > > > > > > On 2/24/2011 7:30 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: > >> /Mel:/ > >> // > >> /Thank you for the kindness of your comments. Just a shame that > >> I went a little bit too much emotional over the rape subject > >> and went entangled on myself emotions and talking non sense. It > >> only comes to show how easy is to loose oneself in samsara and > >> that the difficulties of participating in forums. / > >> // > >> /The first initial post you mention is a post coming from the > >> practice and yet and no one except from yourself have said a word > >> about it. But as soon as I said things such as: "Take justice > >> in one's hand and cut the sexual organs of a rapist", it's > >> incredible the attention I got!. It only comes to show that the > >> strenght of this forum is not in our practice./ > >> // > >> /Thanks for your response and appreciation/ > >> /Mayka/ > >> --- On *Thu, 24/2/11, Mel /<gunnar19632000@...> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gunnar19632000@...>/* > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Mel <gunnar19632000@...> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gunnar19632000@...> > >> Subject: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?(to ED/Mayka/list) > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> Date: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 13:12 > >> > >> It is impossible to force change on anyone, ED. However, > >> please do understand that I wouldn't have been the first, nor > >> will I be the last to take note of openly dualistic postings > >> from those outside of the path, and those who aspire to the > >> Zen way of life itself are bound to notice such posts > >> eventually. For better or worse, you may hear or read things > >> you don't want to hear, or read about. That's just the way it > >> is. That's the bad news, but the good news is that you're > >> probably keeping the group alive by your very words of what > >> must be quite extensive knowledge about many things...odd as > >> they may be to some of us. Read Mayka's first reply to > >> Steve's posting concerning this current thread. It's quite > >> eye-opening. Nothing academic...just simple, > >> clear-headeness..possible dualistic translation: BIG MIND > >> Just as they have self-confessed atheists and other 'sinners' > >> in biblical forums...we on the other hand have academics like > >> yourself who wish to work out Zen without the experience. > >> That's all well and good if that suits you. As I said ED, > >> nobody can force change on you, and if that bothers them(you > >> can include me on that list if I'm guilty), then they > >> themselves are breaking faith with the old prince himself, > >> and what he aspired to and taught > >> Buddha be praised > >> Mel > >> > >> --- On *Thu, 24/2/11, ED /<seacrofter001@...> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=seacrofter001@...>/* > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > >> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=seacrofter001@...> > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others? > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> Received: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 1:31 AM > >> > >> > >> Hello Mel, > >> Are you possessed by an irresistible need to have me > >> change my ways to make you happy? ;-) > >> Best regards, > >> --ED > >> --- In [email protected] > >> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>, > >> Mel <gunnar19632000@> > >> <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gunnar19632000@> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> MEL: Yes, but the words DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL are > >> open to interpretation > >> (..ED, no need to post quotes from the dictionary or > >> Wikipedia. I am interested only in experiences, not > >> academic discussions..) > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
