Bill: Do you disapprove it?. I can assure you that after a few days of practicing mindfulness 24/7 the energy through this practice is "Just This". Unless you mean something else when you express "Just This". And if so, What is it?. Mayka
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 1:15 Mayka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Mike: Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in > forgetfullness > Mayka:  I can't see the duality of being mindful.  When there is pure > mindfulness there is automatically "just this". Mindfulness is full > attention and awareness in the present moment. >  >  >  > --- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 11:18 > > >  > > > > > > > Hi JM, >  > Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, but > is not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in > forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and everywhen (a > nod to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, visualisations, > tools, witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I > am' (a further nod to Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal), so this > is a good place to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a > product of the mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure > Awareness ; ) where we all share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really > needs to be done. >  > Mike > > > > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16 > Subject: [Zen] Realization > >  > > Hi Mike, > > According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"? > > Thanks, > JM > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: >  > > > ED, >  > Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential > for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the > paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation. >  > Mike > > > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Change > >  > > > >  > I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have > claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened. > --ED >  > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential > > for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral > > development, > > concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for > > deepening > > the initial breakthrough. > > > > Mike >
