Hi JM, Thank you for the comments and question. Of course, I would always recommend meditation for the beginner and advanced student alike. My point is that meditation is not the same as enlightenment per se and even leads us away from what is right in front of our noses the whole time! Just like all the great archetypal adventures, however, is the paradox that sometimes we have to go on a journey of discovery before we realise that what was sought was here all along. : )
Mike ________________________________ From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 1:26:15 Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization Hello Mike, Thank you for your sharing. I enjoyed reading all your posts. There are sages who could indeed come to realization without much effort. What you have described is below is the journey or stages to, but not a practice to. For beginners trapped in words, emotions, karma, do you recommend any methodology or technique to help or assist or guide them to wake up? Thank you, JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 3/2/2011 3:18 AM, mike brown wrote: >Hi JM, > >Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, but >is >not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in >forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and everywhen (a >nod >to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, visualisations, >tools, >witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I am' (a >further nod to Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal), so this is a good >place to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of the >mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ; ) where we >all >share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really needs to be done. > >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16 >Subject: [Zen] Realization > > >Hi Mike, > >According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"? > >Thanks, >JM > >Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >http://www.heartchan.org > >On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: > >>ED, >> >>Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential >>for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the >>paradox >>- for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation. >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: ED <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57 >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Change >> >> >> >> >>I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have claimed >>to >>have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened. >>--ED >> >>--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential >>> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral >>>development, >>> >>> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for >>> deepening >>> >>> the initial breakthrough. >>> >>> Mike >> >
