Thank you for you clarification, Mike.
Indeed, too often we were happy in chasing after our own tails.
HuiNeng said, "reincarnation is the rising of notion after notion..."
:-)
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On 3/2/2011 8:44 AM, mike brown wrote:
Hi JM,
Thank you for the comments and question. Of course, I would always
recommend meditation for the beginner and advanced student alike. My
point is that meditation is not the same as enlightenment per se
and even leads us away from what is right in front of our noses the
whole time! Just like all the great archetypal adventures, however, is
the paradox that sometimes we have to go on a journey of discovery
before we realise that what was sought was here all along. : )
Mike
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*From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thu, 3 March, 2011 1:26:15
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Realization
Hello Mike,
Thank you for your sharing. I enjoyed reading all your posts.
There are sages who could indeed come to realization without much effort.
What you have described is below is the journey or stages to, but not
a practice to.
For beginners trapped in words, emotions, karma, do you recommend any
methodology or technique to help or assist or guide them to wake up?
Thank you,
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 3/2/2011 3:18 AM, mike brown wrote:
Hi JM,
Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know
of, but is not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has
it's duality in forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be
simple and everywhen (a nod to Steve). What do we know outside of
concepts, thoughts, visualisations, tools, witnessing etc.? We are
always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I am' (a further nod to
Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal), so this is a good place
to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of
the mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ;
) where we all share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really
needs to be done.
Mike
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*From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16
*Subject:* [Zen] Realization
Hi Mike,
According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"?
Thanks,
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote:
ED,
Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not
essential for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation.
Therein lies the paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to
Realisation.
Mike
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*From:* ED <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Change
I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who
have claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born
enlightened.
--ED
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not
essential
> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness,
moral development,
> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential
for deepening
> the initial breakthrough.
>
> Mike
