Re: [Zen] Realization

Thu, 03 Mar 2011 01:41:18 -0800 

Makya,

No, I approve!!!!!!!!!!  It was just right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I practice minfulness 23/6 - taking an hour off each day to watch the Simpsons 
and one day off a week to play golf.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
>
> Bill:
> Do you disapprove it?.   I can assure you that after a few days of 
> practicing mindfulness 24/7 the energy through this practice is "Just 
> This".  Unless you mean something else when you express "Just This".  And 
> if so, What is it?.  
>  
> Mayka
>  
>  
> 
> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, 3 March, 2011, 1:15
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Mayka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike:  Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in 
> > forgetfullness
> > Mayka:  I can't see the duality of being mindful.  When there 
> > is pure mindfulness there is automatically "just this".  Mindfulness is 
> > full attention and awareness in the present moment.
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > --- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@>
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 11:18
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi JM,
> >  
> > Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, 
> > but is not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's 
> > duality in forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and 
> > everywhen (a nod to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, 
> > visualisations, tools, witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt 
> > existentially aware of 'I am' (a further nod to Ramana Maharishi and 
> > Nisargadatta Maharal),  so this is a good place to start. But 
> > ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of the mind and so we 
> > need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ; ) where we all share the 
> > same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really needs to be done.
> >  
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16
> > Subject: [Zen] Realization
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > JM
> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > http://www.heartchan.org
> > 
> > On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > ED,
> >  
> > Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential 
> > for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the 
> > paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation.
> >  
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: ED <seacrofter001@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Change
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have 
> > claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born 
> > enlightened.
> > --ED
> >  
> > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential 
> > > for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral 
> > > development, 
> > > concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for 
> > > deepening 
> > > the initial breakthrough.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> >
>




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