Ah Ed,
I am sorry that you felt patronized. It was not my intention. Merely
trying to soften the relationship, since I have been pushing you a
little. (I sense the jitter is still there.) :-)
I said read, practice and live it.... so...
Read (not to interpret it)
Practice (not to think about it)
Live (so you will go deeper, or beyond, and witness at the end.)
For instance.. Heart Sutra begins by saying...
"Entering into deep meditation. Witness emptiness of five skandhas.
Form is no different from emptiness. Emptiness is no different from
form..........."
Sutra is to be practiced and lived... So is Chan.
For your reference.....:-)
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 3/8/2011 8:25 AM, ED wrote:
--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
<chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning Ed,
>
> I respect your honest search for the truth in Zen.
Good morning JM,
For your information and growth only, I would like to inform you (as
you had requested) that your statement above comes across as rather
patronizing, but I don't mind, really, as you also come across as a
very caring person.
> Instead of discussion online with too many different perspectives from
> various schools and experiences, may I recommend two readings for you.
>
> Heart Sutra - read, absorb, practice and live it. (only about one
> hundred some Chinese characters)
> Diamond Sutra - read, absorb, practice and live it. (only about five
> thousand Chinese characters)
But the only kensho-tinged persons (that I can recognize) in this
forum (Bill, Steve and Mike) have advised me to stop reading and thinking.
> At every moment in your life, check your heart against the descriptions
> in these sutras.
>
> I trust everyone, probably except Bill, would agree, these two sutra
are
> the guiding references for most of the Zen, Chan schools.
>
> By reading, absorbing, practicing, and living it, you may find some
> solid reference for your journey.
>
> Just for your reference.
> JM
Thank you JM, you are a very kind teacher, and I will do my best.
--ED
> > --- In [email protected], mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote:
> >
> > ED: Zen claims no accomplishments through enlightenment.
> >
> > Mike: That's true, but on one level it does seem to be more conducive
> > to creative endeavours than destructive ones.
> >
> > ED: Nobody can doubt that in general Zen/enlightenment has positive
> > personal fallout - but that's not the objective of zen/enlightenment,
> > yes? Neither is any good fallout for humankind or Gaia the goal,
> > although that might happen too, yes?
