The 10 Ox-Herding Pictures are also my favorite instance of an attempt to communicate the entire process of zen...Bill!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > ED, > > On the contrary. Books, sutras, written accounts of personal experiences, > haiku > etc etc. are very useful in Zen. The problem lies in searching for an answer > in > them. Zen can't be conveyed in words. That much must be clear by now. Again, > the > problem with an intellectual, analytical mind is that the answer always seems > to > be just in grasp. Give the search for an answer up. Read for inspiration, > or for > faith that there is something to be (re)discovered. Afterwards, what was > obscure > and non-sensical will be as clear as reading this morning's weather > forecast. I > hope this doesn't come across as patronizing, but my personal favourite (in > terms of reading material) is the 10 ox-herding pictures. > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 1:25:42 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes > >  > > --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - > 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > Good Morning Ed, > > > > I respect your honest search for the truth in Zen. > Good morning JM, > For your information and growth only, I would like to inform you (as you had > requested) that your statement above comes across as rather patronizing, > but I > don't mind, really, as you also come across as a very caring person. >  > > Instead of discussion online with too many different perspectives from > > various schools and experiences, may I recommend two readings for you. > > > > Heart Sutra - read, absorb, practice and live it. (only about one > > hundred some Chinese characters) > > Diamond Sutra - read, absorb, practice and live it. (only about five > > thousand Chinese characters) > But the only kensho-tinged persons (that I can recognize) in this forum > (Bill, > Steve and Mike) have advised me to stop reading and thinking. >  > > At every moment in your life, check your heart against the descriptions > > in these sutras. > > > > I trust everyone, probably except Bill, would agree, these two sutra are > > the guiding references for most of the Zen, Chan schools. > > > > By reading, absorbing, practicing, and living it, you may find some > > solid reference for your journey. > > > > Just for your reference. > > JM > Thank you JM, you are a very kind teacher, and I will do my best. > --ED >  > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > > > ED: Zen claims no accomplishments through enlightenment. > > > > > > Mike: That's true, but on one level it does seem to be more conducive > > > to creative endeavours than destructive ones. > > > > > > ED: Nobody can doubt that in general Zen/enlightenment has positive > > > personal fallout - but that's not the objective of zen/enlightenment, > > > yes? Neither is any good fallout for humankind or Gaia the goal, > > > although that might happen too, yes? > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
