When this discussion thread began I ASSUMED TNH's 'mindfulness' was the same as 
'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'.  After reading some of these posts I think 
maybe that's not a valid assumption.  Now I think maybe 'mindfulness' is a 
teaching technique to prepare you or lead you towards 'Buddha Mind'.  If that's 
so then paying attention to precepts would be appropriate while practicing 
'mindfulness'.

Can anyone clarigy that?

--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Bingo!
> 
> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > ED,
> > 
> > >Do you assert below that Zen is a mystery that cannot be probed with the 
> > >ordinary mind, and can only be apprehended through an experience of the 
> > >state of 
> > >kensho-satori, after an act of faith and years or decades of shikantaza?<
> > 
> > Zen is waking up, eating breakfast and taking a dump - no mystery at all. 
> > You 
> > don't need precepts. You don't need Zen Buddhism. And you don't 
> > need someone to 
> > explain how to do them. Ordinary mindis the way. 
> > 
> > Mike
> >
>




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