Mike; Have you ever practice mindfulness?. What is your direct experience with mindfulness?. According to what I was taught we only talk about something we have a direct experience with it. Mayka
--- On Thu, 31/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 3:54 Bill!, >so that people who are practicing meditation will be able to awaken first to >the fact that, whether deluded or awakened, their own minds are numinous, >aware, and never dark and their nature is unchanging.' It's been a lonely few weeks trying to explain how mindfulness is not synonymous with Buddha Mind, so it's a pleasure to have you aboard! Mindfulness is a technique that leads us to Buddha Mind, but is not a technique only as Buddha Mind is able to unfold and encompass mindfulness. I found the above quote while researching Steve's recommendation about Chinul and find it quite instructive on this point. The deluded mind will use mindfulness as a technique to search for Buddha Mind - the awakened person has no need for employing mindfulness as they are always aware that there is nowhere where Buddha Mind is not. Mike From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 11:07:49 Subject: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh When this discussion thread began I ASSUMED TNH's 'mindfulness' was the same as 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. After reading some of these posts I think maybe that's not a valid assumption. Now I think maybe 'mindfulness' is a teaching technique to prepare you or lead you towards 'Buddha Mind'. If that's so then paying attention to precepts would be appropriate while practicing 'mindfulness'. Can anyone clarigy that? --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Bingo! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > >Do you assert below that Zen is a mystery that cannot be probed with the > > >ordinary mind, and can only be apprehended through an experience of the > > >state of > > >kensho-satori, after an act of faith and years or decades of shikantaza?< > > > > Zen is waking up, eating breakfast and taking a dump - no mystery at all. > > You > > don't need precepts. You don't need Zen Buddhism. And you don't > > need someone to > > explain how to do them. Ordinary mindis the way. > > > > Mike > > >
